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[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 85 points 3 years ago
[-] MDZA@feddit.uk 41 points 3 years ago

As a Brit, I agree too. Europe is incapable of defending an allied nation within our own continent from invasion. We need to do better.

The military capability of European nations have to improve so we can guarantee our own security and be a more equal partner in NATO rather than a junior partner to the US.

[-] bouh@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago

I agree. But there's so much to do for a EU defense... GB is aligned with the US. Germany and a few other countries are entirely trusting the US. Hungary would probably side with Russia at this point.

I wish the war kick-started eu defense better.

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[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 10 points 3 years ago

As an American, I've mixed feelings.

On the one hand, I think I think Europe owning it's own defense would be a solid move to ensure it's own sovereignty and independence as a modern nation.....thing.

On the other hand, I fear this could lead to US - EU military rivalry. While not necessarily the strongest bond in the world, I do value the relatively positive relationship the US and EU have. I hope that bond is preserved and hope we can grow even closer over time.

[-] MiddleKnight@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 years ago

nation…..thing

we prefer the term "sui generis geopolitical entity" ;)

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[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago

Yeah, if we stopped being the world's police we might have tax money for something else.

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 73 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

As an American, I think my government has become WAY too inconsistent and unreliable. We might elect Trump again, ffs. America can’t be counted on to meet its NATO obligations anymore. Too many fascists are in positions of power and sympathize with Putin.

[-] cloud@lazysoci.al 3 points 3 years ago

As a human being i think you have become incosistent and unreliable too. Lean history, see what's happening around you, think with your own brain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

That implies you considered me consistent and reliable in the past. I’m flattered.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago

It benefits everyone to have distributed defense. Work together, but be able to have a basic level of your own defense is vital.

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 years ago

Europe shouldn't let it's home-grown defence industries languish in the name of strategic cohesion. Europe has no domestic competition to the F-35, no cohesive military procurement strategy that rewards European businesses, and no mechanism to avoid the shitshow of being entirely dependent on US defence contractors for maintenance of key defence infrastructure.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago

It also doesn't have access to nearly as many raw materials as the United States does.

I wish we'd all just calm down with the military spending, but I also understand when dealing with the USA it's probably safer to not rely on then(us) to keep their(our) word

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago

Trump's presidency certainly showed that the US is one election away from balking. I'm pretty sure that's Putin's plan in Ukraine now.

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[-] Zimmy@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago

Lots of euro leaders have said the same over the years. The question as always is, what will you do about it?

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago

Do nothing and blame Germany

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

"Why didn't YOU make an army for us?!"

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 years ago

"We tried it ... once ... many people died"

[-] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago

Well PESCO did get created. Denmark dropped their opt out from CSDP. Stuff like this moves slowly, specially upon there not being single hegemonic leader saying "We do this" and everyone else answering "Yes boss". EU is herding catch and it makes everything move slowly.

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