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I'm simply asking this question because of Lemmygrad.ml existing, and that there isn't a far-right equivalent of it yet. If Lemmygrad has any standing for its right to exist under free speech, where is the line drawn for other extremist political ideologies? If Holodomor skepticism is allowed, then what stops Holocaust skepticism? (as it is generally accepted the Holodomor was man-made). I'm simply wondering what gives far-left politics a right to promote such extremist views in the Fediverse, when their far-right counterparts would be Defederated in minutes.

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[–] gabereal451@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you explicitly define what far-left and far-right means, you could probably have a straightforward answer. You mention holodomor skepticism and holocaust skepticism as some kind of far-left and far-right examples (unless I am misreading your comment), but I personally am not sure exactly what the holodomor was. I assume it was some genocide-level event perpetuated by the USSR, but I am not at all sure. Maybe my internet experience is in some kind of enclave composed of SF literature discussions, 8-bit computers and King of the Hill clips, but I really don't run across holodomor skepticism at all.

Of course, I know what holocaust skepticism is (the denial that millions of Jews [and a whole bunch of gays and Christians and Roma peoples) were systematically killed by the German regime during WW2, as directed by Hitler), but that's only because the types of people who would embrace (or worse) holocaust skepticism are feeling more emboldened by the current political climate.

Personally, I define far-left and far-right as being 'armed militants' and/or 'large groups of people calling for the eradication of one or more types of people.' 'Types of people', in this case, means 'people who are born with a certain characteristic that is not changeable, such as race or sexuality' Currently, we have armed militants protesting libraries (libraries, of all places!) but I have yet to see an armed militant demanding government-funded healthcare or seizing the means of production. Therefore, you will have to forgive me if I don't buy into the 'both sides' equivalence that your post requires the reader to hold.

When the far-left becomes as bad as the far-right, we can (and should!) talk. Until then, miss me with that shit.

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[–] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

This reads like such flame-bait/rage-bait, sigh... but I will respond under the assumption you are a confused newbie to Lemmy and give you some slack.

Lemmy and many Fediverse apps are set up so that it is not possible to banish/censor an instance from the entire network, besides methods to take the server offline itself including DMCA/DDoS/lawsuits/government seizure etc., so lemmygrad will continue to "exist" just as much as exploding-heads, Gab, Truthsocial and other far-right sites will.

Keep in mind: Many major instances (including beehaw) are already de-federated from lemmygrad. Constant CCP and СССР propaganda gets tiring quickly.

As much as an instance owner is given a right to unfettered speech, they and other instande owners also have the right to control what speech from others they want on the platform. Being blunt here, right-wing instances being immediately de-federated is an indication that many instance owners don't want the diarrhea of extreme rhetoric pouring in, so the best course of action for those users would be to find their own toilet.

[–] CarlCook@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Do not tolerate the intolerant!

We should tolerate every ideology and political flavour as long as its supporters are not actively attacking or suppressing other views and especially targeting vulnerable people. The goal should be to create a welcoming place of free speech for all and this requires to eliminate those who do not support this goal or actively work against it - namely fascists (and that includes more than just the old and alt right).

Anti-fascism ist necessary action against those that claim freedom of speech but abuse it for ideological warfare with the ultimate goal of abolition of free speech.

[–] plantstho@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Are you actually wondering out loud whether we should allow Holocaust denial here? You might be in the wrong place.

[–] Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Just asking a question, huh? Second one of these threads I've seen in my feed today.

Neocons testing the waters, to see how far their hatespeech will get them.

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