It's funny because the rich don't pay taxes.
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
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They do if you have taxes on captial gains :)
Can't get taxed if you never cash out.
Most tax programs which apply to capital gains apply to the sell and exchange of the stock. Dividends are also taxed (at least here in the states). So yes, you get taxed no matter what you do unless it's a net loss
That's why the quiet part is to borrow against the assets in perpetuity. No tax on money you take out in loans using your investments as collateral! This is effectively a home equity loan for the rich. Now, you can't keep paying interest on your growing loans forever. Why, ScrotusMaximus, that would be unsustainable! Not to mention that baby faced intern fresh out of grad school with 300k of student loans to be repaid keeps pointing out your interest only loan to his supervisor and posting on Work Reform.
So move onto step two! You and your other insider buddies are going to do a little pump and dump action. For this phase of the plan we are going to crash the market, and write off the impaired value of our investments and debt. Scrotus, that sounds complicated, you might say. Sure, maybe for a peasant such as yourself, it might be. All we have to do is make our investments worth less on paper! A little bad press, some failed deliveries, an enshittified platform, a war breaks out on the wrong people. Nothing is actually changing hands. That would be silly. This has the added intentional bit of killing off the bank or investors we owe money to, figuratively of course. We're not actually killing anyone, mind you. That would be a crime and as we all know crime is only for the poors.
A year or two passes. We are on our yacht living off the loan money. We are in the final phase of our plan: no one bought the snake oil, the enshittified apps aren't making ad revenue and that war sure hurt that new market. Our investments are worthless and we can't borrow anymore money to pay for the yacht diesel or scantily clad deck boys. Gosh darn it, Scrotus, now what?
It just so happens the bank that loaned us money had to be bought out by JPAmerica Bank with taxpayer bailout money thanks to the votes from our friends π in government, and good news! They're willing to work with us to refinance the loans because an investor bought our shitty debt for pennies on the dollar! What a sucker, amirite?
No tax on loans! The poor hate this one trick
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How do you feel about limiting loans against assets and total wealth based taxes?
In general I try to avoid talking about these things because people get touchy and act like the situation is hopeless. Captial Gains taxes does have an affect and it does improve the situation. And obviously what you brought up are clear concerns with how it is often setup today. So I'm interested in how we could continue to make things better in that regard
I'm not really in favor of a wealth tax. Maybe, if we really need to claw back our mistakes, but I think there are better approaches.
A tax on loans based on wealth seems great though. If you have the wealth, why are you borrowing? What are the legitimate uses of secured loans?
Capital gains taxes should be higher than payroll taxes. Always and forever.
Marginal tax rates exist for a reason, and it's absurd that we stop progressive taxation after $700k. The difference between making $800k/year and making $15m/year is ridiculous. At $800k/year you at least want to make the business last for a decade. After you cash out for $15m in a year, are you really accountable to anyone?
I'm just spitballing here, but maybe the solution is just, like, you know, tax the rich...?
I mean, really tax them, you know, all in, no bars, just get in there, and tax the hell right out of them.
Whad'ya say? Think it might work?
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Exactly why dividends need to be mandatory for profitable companies if we are not going to change the tax system.
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Taxes from the middle class. Ftfy.
Might not be American.
Bout to say. We barely have a middle class in the US anymore. Lol
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I left a private sector job where I did increasingly evil things for a good amount of money for a public works job where I'm doing something beneficial to society. I have to work a shit-ton of OT to make the same money but the OT is there for the working and I ultimately maybe work a hair more than I used to in my salary position.
Living the ducking dream man, have at it!
I have a public service job.
Can't afford to live, get shouted at by callers irrelevant to my role each day just cos I am at a phone, can't work from home despite the whole organisation doing so, higher paid people throw their workload at me cos they don't want to do it.
Feels no different from when i was in the private sector really.
No offense due but I hope you're interviewing
Looking, not much on the market right now, but it's a process I suppose!
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Probably not taxes of the rich, who use havens and methods to avoid paying taxes. It's the people paying.
I keep reading unionized as un-ionized...
I think you're thinking of deionized.
First rule of English: learn every word
Second rule of English: Consistency is one of those words
Third rule of English: Consistency does not apply to English
Mind elaborating on this rich tax? I'm honestly curious but also feeling skeptical. I'm starting to think this is just a joke since it's in meme form.
A grant (taxpayer money) funded company creating jobs that will eventually run out of money while having the double benefit of poors feeling empowered and forgetting/not caring who is siphoning off the value of the company slowly.
Context: https://lemmy.ninja/comment/2180478
Shit man, hiring?
Piss man, is not hiring
Nothing better than taking rich peopleβs money!
Thatβs right, @dipshit
Federal government spending is not funded by taxes. When the federal government spends, it credits accounts with the press of a keystroke, creating money from nothing. The federal government issues money by spending and destroys money by collecting taxes. https://medium.com/@nicholasadiaz7/on-the-role-of-taxes-mmt-707fb4b3b80b
I've been working at a rich ladies house the last few weeks.
If you used her money to feed an entire town for a month, she wouldn't even know.
A facebook meme that isn't nuclear waste level toxic dogshit? Either this is breaking my brain or I'm misinterpreting it.
I feel you have a very low bar.
I am really tiring of the shitposts
Iβll take, βThings that will never happen,β for 200, Alex.
Stop it you're starting to tax me π
Hmmm where does public service build wind turbines?
Define the rich
100% they mean average working class families. We all know the real rich don't pay proper taxes
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