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Lubbock County, Texas, joins a group of other rural Texas counties that have voted to ban women from using their roads to seek abortions.

This comes after six cities and counties in Texas have passed abortion-related bans, out of nine that have considered them. However, this ordinance makes Lubbock the biggest jurisdiction yet to pass restrictions on abortion-related transportation.

During Monday's meeting, the Lubbock County Commissioners Court passed an ordinance banning abortion, abortion-inducing drugs and travel for abortion in the unincorporated areas of Lubbock County, declaring Lubbock County a "Sanctuary County for the Unborn."

The ordinance is part of a continued strategy by conservative activists to further restrict abortion since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade as the ordinances are meant to bolster Texas' existing abortion ban, which allows private citizens to sue anyone who provides or "aids or abets" an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy.

The ordinance, which was introduced to the court last Wednesday, was passed by a vote of 3-0 with commissioners Terence Kovar, Jason Corley and Jordan Rackler, all Republicans, voting to pass the legislation while County Judge Curtis Parrish, Republican, and Commissioner Gilbert Flores, Democrat, abstained from the vote.

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[–] Coffeemonkepants@lemmy.world 280 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is incredibly fucked up. Handmaid's tale was a documentary.

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 147 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Get ready for highway checkpoints for pregnant women, coming to a red state near you.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I noticed your had a license plate light out, Ma'am. Please get out of the car and pee on this test strip."

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[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

Atwood specifically called it speculative fiction, because everything written in there had happened already in some other form.

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[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 197 points 1 year ago (29 children)

How tf would they even enforce this?

“Are you traveling to get an abortion?” “No, I’m going to visit family”

How would they prove otherwise? Is there something I’m missing?

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 161 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The correct answer is “I don’t want to talk about my day.”

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Go f*ck yourself" is also an acceptable answer.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Good luck and godspeed using that approach with a rural county sheriff's office in Texas. No, they cannot enforce this, and you should probably just politely deflect the question and gtfo

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[–] TimLovesTech@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

" Am I being detained or am I free to go?" If detained "then you shut the fuck up!"

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[–] Feddyteddy@lemmy.sdf.org 108 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're missing the right to privacy in your phone. Make sure you didn't put the clinic into Google maps or make a call to them ahead of time. Governmental AI is on the way and it will be steered by the same people making these rules.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Just keep a strong password on your phone, and disable biometrics if you're travelling for abortion.

They can't compel the password out of you, but they can compel a finger print, or pointing it at your face unlock.

[–] quantumriff@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You should look up geofence warrants, that are now very, very common.

They can subpoena google or apple for anyone traveling through their jurisdiction to specific areas.

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[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It basically gives them an excuse to detain any woman they want, which is the purpose.

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[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

LEAs have been shown to actively track women who use search engines or messaging services to seek information about abortion services. There's a non-zero chance that women who they suspect, and their friends and family, are tagged in their system when they search the plates of someone passing by.

It's not about lying to cops, particularly if they can already prove you were seeking those services in the first place. At that point they'll arrest you with probable cause.

They already use that kind of system with drug dealers. If they suspect you sell drugs, they will tag your name and plate and find a reason to pull you over if they spot you. Why would they hesitate to track women like that?

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[–] eee@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

Easy, women shouldn't be allowed to use highways period. Then they won't be able to drive to abortions.

Fuck it, women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Long live the United States of Saudi Arabia!

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Everything else aside, that's about as clear a violation of the Commerce Clause as you can get.

The inability of states to regulate interstate commerce was settled by the courts in 1824.

The same laws that allows firearms to be shipped through states where they're illegal protects abortion-seekers on Texas roads

[–] rothaine@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago (14 children)

was settled by the courts in 1824.

Nothing is "settled" with the current Supreme Court.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 114 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does Texas hate freedom so much?

[–] superguy@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.

For some reason, even the democrats there think it's better than states like Florida. It isn't.

The only state that is objectively worse than Texas is Louisiana, and that's saying something.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 112 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Doesn't this run afoul of the commerce clause?

A random ass County can't ban travel on any roads or highway for any reason, right? That's strictly the job of congress.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also I'd like to add:

How about this worthless board look into why there is so much crime in the county before Talibaning travel for women?

You have a 1 in 92 chance of being a victim of violent crime in Lubbock County compared to a 1 in 220 chance in the rest of Texas

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 101 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Maybe women should just GTFO of Texas. Anything vag related and doctors won't want to do anything incase you're pregnant.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think getting the fuck out of Texas is exactly what this legislation is attempting to prevent. If they get away with this, I'd doubt they'll stop there, either. Never mind abortion, this will set the precedent that they can legally "prevent" you from using public road infrastructure for any particular purpose they feel like.

It doesn't take a legal expert to see why the line of reasoning they're using to justify this is horseshit, nor to grasp just how dangerous this type of thing is.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Next up they will advise women to carry a note from thier husband or father detailing where they are going so they can avoid suspicion. The cops will pull them over and ask for thier papers.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 72 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Cool... driving whilst pregnant is the latest thing to fear US police over then. Wait until the first pregnant woman is shot as part of a routine traffic stop checking for abortion plans.

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"Texas wants to imprison women." FTFY

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[–] Zippit@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm sorry but this makes Texas less than a third world country. This is just backwards and medieval.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Party of Small Government, Ladies and Gentlemen. The most grotesque joke since The Aristocrats.

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[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

this is the dumbest antifreedom thing I've seen in months. just how can anyone think this is a good idea.

I bet the cookers who dreamt up this scheme were against covid lockdowns aswell

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This won't be directly enforced. It will be used to add more punishment to those caught trying to get an abortion.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not just those getting an abortion, but anyone helping them. It's designed to isolate pregnant women so that they have no one to turn to if they need help.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago (10 children)

How the fuck do you even enforce this?

[–] snf@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The ordinance is enforceable through the private enforcement mechanism which has proven its success in both the Lubbock City Ordinance and the Texas Heartbeat Act. This is how the ordinance is enforced,

So: snitching.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Texas is where freedom goes to die

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Texan Taliban impose driving ban

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[–] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If Lubbock county is a "sanctuary for the unborn" then they'll be glad to help pregnant women and then adopt any unwanted children, right? Right?

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[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 50 points 1 year ago (12 children)

This sounds incredibly illegal? Where the fuck is the law?

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We should probably also have them start wearing masks and robes over their faces/bodies too, to prevent them from having unwanted pregnancies. Actually, just don't even give driver's licenses to women in the first place, since they should always be getting escorted by their fathers or husbands in the first place, they really shouldn't even be allowed to drive. And if we wanted to reduce unemployment, we could just require all these women in the workplace to go back to being stay-at-home moms, like God intended, freeing up all those jobs for hard-working American men to work at. Send me money if you agree.

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[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Conservatives are garbage.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago

This shouldn't be a problem based on how they think abortions work...the woman didn't go out FOR an abortion, she was out shopping and decided to get one, like picking up a snack on your way out of the market!

Seriously it's deranged. If they behaved generally like they care about the 'children' and the women, I could accept they're at least acting in good faith according to their dumbass beliefs, but they don't seem to care except for outlawing and restricting women's activities, so it's clear that those who say the point is just to subjugate women are right.

[–] pottedmeat7910@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also Texas: "Why are we having so much trouble recruiting OB-gyns? Why do we have to close so many rural obstetrics departments?"

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone needs to start suing conservatives in Texas under this law. Make these conservatives fight their own defenses and raise defense funds. I don't get why lawsuits didn't fly against prominent GOP voters and members day 1. Make their lives hell with lawsuits.

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[–] moneyinphx@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Does this include highways that receive federal funding? That’s a good way to get this repealed. Threaten to pull funding.

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[–] Skates@feddit.nl 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I didn't think Texans would be so easily convinced to give up their civil liberties, this doesn't sound like the "stand your ground" state. If this isn't reason enough for the people of Texas to make use of the second amendment's right to bare arms, intended exactly for situations like this - for citizens to protect themselves when their government oversteps, I don't know what is.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Conservatives know that the enforcement will be selective, and that's exactly what they want.

They will only change their minds when it directly affects them.

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