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Yesterday marked one of the most shameful days in the history of the Metropolitan Police as they arrested peaceful protesters including a blind man in a wheelchair, an 81-year-old woman with Parkinson's, a former British army officer, and a bunch of, um, Quakers. All of them were protesting against two things: the UK's ongoing participation in the Gaza genocide and the proscription of Palestine Action. All of them were arrested under the Terrorism Act.

Imagine being the police officer whose job it was to wheel this man away. You can see the shame in his face as he lowers his head. These officers must know history is not going to judge them kindly, but they must also know just following orders is not okay. If I was a police officer, I would not have made those arrests, even if it cost me my job. Doing the right thing is infinitely more important than just following orders.

Yesterday police made twice the number of counter-terrorism arrests than they did in all of 2023 and one-fifth of those arrested were over 70. One police officer was wearing a hat that suggested he came from a Welsh police force. Remember this when police say they can't send any officers out after you've been burgled. Police are dealing with the real criminals now, and the real criminals include quakers. Yes, quakers were arrested.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The propaganda framing from the BBC on the arrests has been truly ludicrous. They described the protesters attempts to “evade detection” by bringing blank pieces of paper along, explaining they would only write messages on the cards if more than 500 people turned up.

"Our correspondent.. has been telling me how protesters carefully planned to evade police detection while carrying placards as part of their protest," the newsreader explained as though she was describing the most sinister plot ever uncovered.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember when liberals were outraged when Russian protesters were arrested for showing blank pieces of paper?

The UK is now in the same stage of slide toward autocracy, evidently.

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What is it with liberals literally only seeing bug problems when it's in other countries.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

My theory is that, "Liberals" in the Anglo-Saxon style (though the rest are going towards it too) are pretty much Fascists with different lists of "good" races and "bad" races (the kind of people who would make fun of Trump's Oval Office by saying "it's like a Middle Eastern dictator" - so casually voicing prejudice about the Middle East) and that means they're also Nationalists like the Fascists or at the very least think Western society is superior.

Certainly it would explain a lot of things, including how easilly for all their proclamations of being against Racism, they'll support a Genocide mass murdering children in the tens and even hundreds of thousands as long the genociders are from a "white race" and the victims are "non-whites" - they were never against Racism, much less Discrimination in general, only against that which targets whatever minorities it's currently fashionable to claim to defend and even in that they stick to mainly performative support and avoid doing changes with real impact in bringing Equality of Treatment when such changes would affected the Wealthy.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they weren't arrested for showing blank pieces of paper. They were arrested after they wrote things on them.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were they? That wasn’t clear to me. It sounded like they were arrested for planning to maybe write something.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From the article:

I'm unclear if anyone holding a blank piece of card was arrested

So I don't know why you would think they were arrested for this.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So it’s unclear. Which is what I said.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You didn't seem to think it was unclear when you wrote:

Remember when liberals were outraged when Russian protesters were arrested for showing blank pieces of paper?

The UK is now in the same stage of slide toward autocracy, evidently.

The only reason you had for saying that people in the UK were arrested for showing blank pieces of paper was a statement that said it was "unclear if anyone had been."

So just to make this very clear, you've turned "It is unclear that X" into "X evidently happened", and when I said that it didn't you've said that you said it was "unclear."

There have been plenty of reports of people being arrested for displaying the slogan “I oppose genocide, I support Palestine Action,” and no reports of people being arrested for holding blank pieces of paper, so it's actually quite clear what happened - the random internet guy got a bee in his bonnet about the factual description of people making sure they made it to the demonstration in order to be arrested en masse (rather than in a trickle) and decided to use weasel words to make it sound like people got arrested for something ridiculous, and you took the bait.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be clear I misunderstood when I made my initial comment. But from the article it’s not clear. I’m just asking if you know for a fact it didn’t happen and it sounds like you don’t know any more than the author does.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

OK fair enough.

I'd say I know enough to dismiss what the commentator said as idle speculation in aid of a narrative. We can't categorically rule it out, but I would expect to actually have been reported on, not merely speculated upon, had it actually happened.

[–] G4Z@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and no reports of people being arrested for holding blank pieces of paper,

During the anti-monarchy protests, when Charlie got his hat on, there was.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you're referring to Paul Powlesland, he was told he'd be arrested if he wrote a certain slogan on it; he wasn't arrested.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Paper! Believe it or not, jail.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What is non-factual or poorly framed about that?

Protestors didn't want to get arrested without achieving critical mass, so to prevent being arrested before that point, they only wrote their signs after doing so.

It sounds like you want the BBC to be a mouthpiece for your views and interpret anything less than that as propaganda. If I can listen to a BBC report about it and come away a) with renewed disgust at the ban and b) understanding the tactics used by the protestors, what have they done wrong?

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Zionists are more important than your civil rights.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

~~Zionists~~ The colonialist self-proclaimed representatives of a white race who are right now mass murdering children of a "brown" race because of having born with the "wrong" ethinicity are more important than ~~your~~ the civil rights of the British riff-raff.

FIFY

British governments have a long and shameful History of supporting Racist Fascists no matter what they do, from Pinochet to the government of Apartheid South Africa. Even Hitler was supported (there's even a picture of the old Queen as a child being taught the Nazi salute by her uncle the then King) until he invade Poland.

Support for this specific Genocidal white colonialist nation mass murdering muslim children with authoritarian methods and de facto no concern for the civil rights of common Britons, is just the latest symptom of social and political regressivennes and even learned sociopathy amongst the British elites: they never really evolved beyond 19th century ways and "values".

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very true. They tried dressing it up under a veneer of liberal postmodernism but the authoritarian, colonial brutality that characterises the English bourgeoisie has been laid bare by this genocide.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Indeed.

Having lived for over a decade in Britain, including the 2008 Crash and the Leave Vote and even having been involved in Politics there (in the Green Party), the only shocking element in this for me is the almost total removal of the velvet glove that was used to cover the iron fist (not total because they're doing the usual disguising of authoritarian oppression as "Rule Of Law" as if it wasn't them who put those Laws), since one of the most important things the British Upper Classes learn during their years in posh Public Schools is to manage appearances.

Maybe the dropping of the posh façade is due to the influence of America or maybe it's because they learned from the decade of Austerity after the 2008 Crash that in Britain the anger of the many is easily channeled against powerless minorities such as immigrants and the poor and there is a veritable bottomless pit amongst the "riff-raff" of people who will relentlessly defend the actions of "their betters".

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Next they're going to be arresting a deaf-blind quadruple amputee and charging them with terrorism offences. It proves the complete absurdity of the PA ban and the total abuse of terrorism law by the government.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

here in the US, they won't even declare the KKK as a terrorist org, but holy hell will they happily go after brown people

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here’s a reminder that modern gun control laws in the US got started during the civil rights movement by conservatives, because lawmakers were scared of black people owning guns.

The civil rights protestors realized that peaceful unarmed protests were quickly and violently busted… Cops had no qualms about dragging protestors around, beating people, firing into crowds, etc… But peaceful heavily armed protests had cops politely watching from across the street. Because firing into a crowd is a lot less appealing when the entire crowd can immediately return fire.

When conservative lawmakers saw heavily armed protestors on the front steps of their capitol buildings, and saw police completely unwilling to break the protests up, they got really fucking sweaty really fucking quickly. So Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Reagan who is treated as a paragon of conservative values by conservative talking-heads), and the NRA (yes, the same NRA who lobbies for looser gun control laws in the wakes of school shootings), co-authored and quickly passed the Mulford Act. At the time, it was the single most restrictive gun control law that had ever been passed, and it set the stage for modern gun control laws.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

you're smearing a lot of distinct point of history together, but the premise isn't wrong.

Ronnie got upset because it wasn't some civil rights march protester, it was BLACK protesters, specifically Black Panthers. That's what specifically motivated the NRA et al. The idea of minorities, armed, actually standing up for their rights.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's fair and it should be officially a terrorist org, but on the flip side there have been many actions taken against the KKK leading to their large decline over the decades, including in the 1960s when FBI Director Hoover and Agent Roy Moore setting up new field offices in Mississippi and holding many of them accountable as well as uncovering and making public new murders that otherwise went under the radar. There was also a large deradicalization programs that effectively reduced members of such groups and prevented crimes, the programs which grew in scale under Obama and were torn down by Trump.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And mississippi only got that federal scrutiny after they kidnapped and murdered white protesters along with people of color. If the KKK hadn't gone that far, I'm not sure we would have seen that federal response.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Pretty sure it had more to do with the church bombing that killed 4 little black girls, but you clearly can't accept any examples of goodwill from whom you view an enemy.

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[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

They must be Quakering in their boots

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From a different website:

Parliament in early July passed a law banning Palestine Action and making it a crime to publicly support the organization. That came after activists broke into a Royal Air Force base and vandalized two tanker planes to protest Britain's support for Israel's offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/uk-london-protest-pro-palestinian-law-action-1.7605253

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The proscription of Palestine Action is ridiculous and shameful.

But so is this article. If you turned up in support of ISIS then you should be arrested whether you're old or young, blind, deaf, in a wheelchair, doing cartwheels, or anything else. Disabled people are capable of supporting terrorist organisations and to pretend this is absurd is to miss the point and cynically look for sympathy where it won't be found. Not only that, but being arrested for supporting a terrorist organisation doesn't mean you're "considered a terrorist."

Criticise the actual problem - that the Terrorism Act gave the Secretary of State authoritarian powers that it never should have, and she has now used those powers to ban a group that protested a genocidal war through non-violent direct action.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

palestine action didn't do anything different than what keir starmer did.

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nah. racist anti immigrant right wing reform voters will never be considered terrorists according to kieth

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I vibe with the sentiment, liberty for all and that jazz, but it's a bit ableist to say a blind man in a wheelchair can't be a terrorist.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Nobody does, especially not the UK government

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