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[–] sethw@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are we really allowing "like if you agree" here?

[–] hydro033@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Yes this is ridiculous.

Yeah let's not. There's absolutely no point to 'karma whoring' in the fediverse. That's what the downvote button is for, even if we agree with the message they're sending.

[–] greguti@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Any chance we can get the sources for all these quotes?

[–] Bojimbo@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While I agree with them in this case, why do we care what the founders thought? Originalism is not a real philosophy, just a weak appeal to authority regarding a group of people that did not and cannot represent the people of the modern world.

[–] Xeelee@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the "conservatives" that keep making those appeals to authority. Founding fathers this and founding fathers that, because they have no real arguments. Showing that even those arguments are fallacious is justified.

[–] Bojimbo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It annoys me when people coopt bad conservative argumentation to make a good point. There are many reasons why the separation of church and state is important. The intentions of dead politicians who only valued white, land-owning men is not among them.

[–] netwren@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Most of the people I know make the argument that this has ALWAYS been a Christian nation which I'm quick to point out that it was designed to be separated because of their own experiences being persecuted for their religious beliefs.

Having these quotes with some legitimate sources would be fantastic argument material for me though. Hoping someone digs these up as I can't at the moment.

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I agree with them, although I'm a little bemused by the characterization of Judaism as intending to terrify people into obedience... How do you do that with no religious power structure, no hell and no nebulous punishment for breaking the rules? It's a religion whose 'teeth' are, "Your mother would prefer if you did it."

[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I think it's a nice reminder that extreme people often necessarily disregard nuance in pursuit of their ultimate goals. When every state is religious and every state is tyranical, why bother trying to pick out a few good apples when that would only further jam the gears of progress?

[–] rosenjcb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Historically speaking the Hasmonean empire did have quite a bit of teeth. Enough to forcefully convert all of Edom.

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean sure, but that was 2,100 years ago...

[–] hydro033@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone never read the old testament

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

FYI it's not the "old testament" to Jews, and since there is no God, he hasn't popped out of the woodwork to have the earth swallow any of us in the last 2,500 years or so... so no one is really worried he's going to.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You overestimate religious zealots. I know people who cringe if you say "god damn it" as if a lightning bolt will strike instantly. God in the Pentateuch is a major asshole prone to murderous outbursts at the slightest sign of disobediance so yeah, he was definitely supposed to be feared. Jews don't even say the word god, they say "ha shem" or "the name" instead.

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a Jew and I'm saying the word God right now... as with anything else, religiosity varies pretty significantly, but because Judaism is a ethnoreligion and because it places such an emphasis on debate and dialogue, it's one of the few religions I know of that's more or less compatible with being an atheist.

There certainly are a ton of Jewish religious fundamentalists (called haredim, folks in the US are probably familiar with "ultra-Orthodox" or 'hasidic') but they're actually the minority, and even they vary widely in their beliefs.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

Barry Goldwater

[–] Col3814444@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, but ‘Like if you…:’ yeah no.

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not seeing a like button

[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Hey I have refrigerator magnets that say this. I got them from Freedom from Religion Foundation. They are great.

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