This is how mainstream media should report on Israel, by showing what a fascistic hellhole it is that even its own citizen flee because there's no room for wrongthink.
At least they have the option unlike the poor souls being eradicated in Gaza..
Unfortunately many of them will face discrimination in Europe, and part of it will be from people who think that dunking on diaspora jews is somehow pro-palestinian. The opposite is true: any antisemitic microaggression sends the message that Zionists are right and only in Israel can Jews be truly safe. Instead, making sure these people are safe, happy and incentivized to stay put in the diaspora and never go back to being colonizers must be part of pro-palestinian praxis. This is why the fight against antisemitism in Europe is intrinsically linked with the fight for Palestinian liberation: prove the basic premise of Zionism wrong!
People are smart enough to don't knock palestinians liberation mouvement over some extremists. It's anti palestine occupation and genocide who are generally facing repercusion for being vocal about it not the opposite like you claiming. Israel and zionists are thr biggest promoter of antisemitism they want to portray anti zionism as antisemitism so when someone see idf terrorists murdering kids they start to devlop hate toward jews in general
You're talking about government repression but I'm talking about antisemitism. In my city (Montreal) there have been a few arsons and bombing attacks on Jewish schools, and some more minor things (like some idiot doing seig heils at a pro Palestine protest, or some other idiot beating up a Jewish dad in front of his kids). We thankfully haven't had any casualties, and everyone that is sane is condemning these incidents, including obviously the anti-genocide movement, but the Jews are rightfully spooked. Hell, I was spooked because my kid's school was close to a Jewish school that was targeted, I can only imagine how terrified they would be.
Of course the Zionist lie that somehow opposing Israeli apartheid and genocide is "antisemitism" is hollowing out the word and making things worse and actually creating the ground for less-than-smart people to fall for antisemitic propaganda by actual hateful fuckfaces. So it's the job of the rest of us to keep up the vigilance.
Protecting Jews in the West is (a) a moral obligation towards our fellow citizens, and (b) denying Zionism it's Big Lie, thus laying the foundation for Palestinian Liberation.
I am also from Montreal. Violence against both jews and Muslims increased after 7 of Octobers. All groups should be protected, it also feel like jews safety are more important than anybody else rather than being as important as protecting other groups. Many Montreal Zionists get outraged by anything related to Palestine it's so ridiculous , like some orgs raising money for Palestinians with bakery sale get flooded by Zionists talking about how that money will go to Hamas. NDG NPD candidate in the previous election was also accused of supporting hamas, this is a really serious accusation
Tabarouette bro. Look, I'm not saying Jewish safety is "more important than anybody else". Jews deserve safety like everyone else. Beyond that, what I'm saying is that it is important from the point of view of Palestine liberation. I'm also not defending obnoxious idiots (see above), who threaten other people. Safety also doesn't mean silencing politics: let's debate and argue until we turn blue in the face, but let's do it as concitoyens. Any Jew who decides to stay here and not do Aliya is a win for Palestine.
Edit: The extreme Zionists especially: better they stay here than they go there to act out their fascist fantasies. In Canada at least they don't get to go around doing pogroms on Palestinians. Keep them here. Maybe their children will see the stupidity of always acting threatened.
In Canada at least they don't get to go around doing pogroms on Palestinians.
Canada didn't intervene when Zionist organizations went selling Palestinians land in the west bank in synagogues
That makes my point even more. In Canada, they are subject to our laws and our politics. We can push our authorities to do their job. We have agency and bandwidth here that the Palestinians over there don't.
No, that doesn't make you point. Canada should definitely intervene and punish orgs that sell occupied lands to Canadian Zionists. Which law allow them to do this terrible immoral thing?
There no Zionist orgs in Canadian terrorism list showing the double standard
Yeah ok, just to be clear. I'm not saying Canada is fine or that the government is doing the right thing. The government turns a blind eye all the time. Zionist orgs can sell stolen Palestinian land in synagogues and nobody in power lifts a finger. That should be illegal. That is a double standard.
But there's a difference between the Canadian state and Canada as a place where people live. The government sucks, but we still have space here to organize, protest, call stuff out, pressure MPs, build solidarity. Over there in Israel, people who make Aliyah go straight into a settler-colonial state with an army and full impunity. We lose them.
So yeah, I’d rather even the most annoying Zionist stay here where we can argue, expose, and maybe even change minds. Not because Canada is "righteous" but because it’s a battlefield where we have agency.
This isn’t about saying Jews are more important or letting anyone off the hook. It’s about keeping people out of the occupation and using what power we do have to make that happen.
I didn't say that our Zionists should be sent to Israel. Anybody who harass jews in Canada face repercussions when found so there is no reason to believe that European or Canadian jews are fleeing to Israel because they no longer feel safe, in Israel they would experience constant feel of unsafety due to rockets . As opposed to anti occupation who are not involved are accused of being antisemite while people doing illegal stuffs like selling lands in occupied territories face zero repercussions.
At this point, I disengage from this discussion.
Why is this in 'Europe'?
By the article a lot of them go to Greece. The two interviewed people went to Greece and Italy.
Many Israeli citizens have grandparents who grew up in Europe, or who fled to the US from Europe and then went to Israel.
Netanyahus original family name is Mileikowsky, his fathers family is from Warsaw and his father was an important figure in the Zionist movement. His mothers family went from Lithuania to the US and then to Palestine during the last years of the Ottoman empire.
Maybe OP was thinking of the Eurovision Song Contest kind of Europe
No region has more experience with fleeing fascism than Europe.
Fair questions but a lot of them are gonna end up in Europe and Jewish Israelis are by demographics mostly European settlers, either from Western Europe or (post-)communist Europe. They are not indigenous to that region, and it would be just playing in the hands of Zionist propaganda to pretend that they would be. Now that shit hits the fan they rediscover their origins and I think that’s relevant for us to know.
Akshually, around 45% of Israeli jews are of Middle Eastern and North African descent, around the same as those from Europe
Yes I’ve read that same Wikipedia article. It’s a fair point but Zionism as a movement was started by European Jews and every prime minister ever since the establishment of the settler colony has been Ashkenazi. It’s designed by and for European Jews, the rest are just pawns to keep up the demographics. In that sense, even if they’re technically exactly the same or even if they’d be slightly more, it wouldn’t change much about the fact that European Jews are THE dominant group there.
Ok but if you believe that they constitute the real OG hARdCorE zionist gangstas, then why would you argue that they would be the ones leaving??
I don’t know what you’re on about here or what this has to with beliefs exactly, I just corrected your "correction“
My correction on how most jewish Israelis today aren´t exactly (descendants of) European settlers? How did your post ´correct´ that? You only argued the other jews don´t really count as you consider them pawns lol
Ok Zionist
Because a lot of them are probably fleeing to Europe?
Does posting to a European community require the content to be relevant exclusively to Europe?
I'm mean yeah, that's kind of the point.
So if it's relevant to Europeans but also others, it shouldn't be posted?
It should be relevant for Europe. Doesn't matter who else it's relevant for.
So this post is ok then
And yet Gazians can't flee
This is somewhat related:
China’s growth can usher in a new era for China–Israel cooperation
"Chinese capital can help Israeli startups expand globally, while Israeli technology can support China’s industrial upgrading," explains Xiao Junzheng, Chinese Ambassador to Israel.
Seems not all have given up on Israel.
Nobody has giving up on israel unfortunatly. Countries still buy and sell military equipement to israel and refuse to sanction the state of israel itself
Hope we prevent these illegal migrants from entering Europe. Keep the Israelis out!
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