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[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

For all we know it did. We believe that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old but it's estimated that conditions suitable for life only appeared about 200 million years after that. Since the oldest fossils we've found are 3.7 billion years old, there is a 600 million year gap between when we think life could have formed and out earliest records of it.

There is every possibility that life formed multiple times in different environments on Earth in those first few hundred million years and then been wiped out by one of the frequent cataclysms that ravaged the early Earth. We have no way of knowing though. If life formed around a volcanic vent and then got wiped out by a meteor impact there would be no evidence it ever happened. Even if such life was wiped out by a climatic shift or something like that, there still wouldn't likely be much evidence left if any right now. The Earth's surface has been changed so much in the last 3.7 billion years, there are very few areas older than that where such fossil records from before that could be found.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

And there's a good chance that other life would be chemically or structurally similar, so without DNA evidence we'd confuse it's fossils with others (see Prototaxites).

Also, maybe life does reoccur relatively frequently, but is killed by existing bacteria, viruses, bacteriophage... again, for being too chemically/structurally similar to the existing life.

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Life has been found deep in the Earth's crust. Think about that in this context.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_biosphere

The conditions for deep biosphere life exist throughout the universe. While surface life is apparently very rare, most planetary bodies with a hot core and subsurface moisture should have some layer conducive to this sort of life.

Since we don't fully how life arises from non-life, it's speculation as to whether life really is uncommon or not. But deep biosphere life should easily be the most common form in the universe. Estimates for it on Earth put it at about 90% of our biomass of archaea and bacteria.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 year ago

Life could be forming again RIGHT NOW, but there's already pretty well established life here already that could stamp the upstart out.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It almost certainly did....

But conditions on Earth were "perfect" for life to exist because this is where all the life we've ever seen evolved.

If conditions on Earth was different, life would have evolved differently and people would still say conditions were "perfect" it's survivorship bias.

So earliest life likely sprung up with some pretty fundamental differences, and whatever evolved best hung around.

We can see modern versions of this when extremophiles overlap due to changing conditions. Life forms that have been isolated thousands (sometimes millions) of years. Or even just the life that exists in deserts for the brief period there's puddles after a rain.

Earliest life was probably just a bunch of isolated pockets, who were eventually able to evolve and spread out from the extreme environments they came from. Sometimes they take over and spread, others they die out and only the ones that stayed in their extreme environment survives.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

For over three billion years, all we know of the evolution of life is from the chemical signatures it left behind, and from the genetic information of the surviving descendants. From that we can conclude that all current life arose from a common origin roughly coinciding with the first chemical signatures of living activity, and the most parsimonious explanation is that life arose on earth only once. But it’s also plausible that some of that early chemical activity was produced by forms of life that arose independently, but were displaced by ours before the emergence of multicellular organisms.

[-] maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The conditions are perfect for life to thrive, and especially to evolve, we're not so sure about forming.

Actually, I'm pretty compelled by the hypothesis that Mars actually had the perfect conditions for life to form. With less of an ocean covered surface, regular rain, and constant meteor showers. Such meteors would form holes lined with random chemicals, which then get filled with water, forming a puddle. If one puddle doesn't have all the necessary components to form life, another likely will. That seems to me like a much better scenario than a sparsely diluted ocean on Earth.

Then whatever life originated on Mars might have been thrown into space by one of those meteors, and by chance, fell on Earth. There's actually evidence that such interplanetary matter transfer is possible, and has happened. That would explain why we only know of a single common ancestor, the only one that arrived here.

[-] Artisian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think OP's question still holds, even if you think all of that happened. If there was so much life on mars and so much ejecta, why didn't multiple (differently structured, eg not DNA) rounds of life get formed on mars and transplanted to earth? Why 1x?

[-] meekah@gehirneimer.de 4 points 1 year ago

We can't know that didn't happen. We just know that only one life form succeeded, it is very possible that others were pushed to extinction because of that.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Then you get back to every other response on this thread, it probably did happen more than once.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As an aside, see also Silurian hypothesis

"While we strongly doubt that any previous industrial civilization existed before our own, asking the question in a formal way that articulates explicitly what evidence for such a civilization might look like raises its own useful questions related both to astrobiology and to Anthropocene studies."

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Keep in mind that the conditions before life formed were quite different than the conditions once it had already been established. Once life exists, there is a competition for resources. Fewer building blocks will be just floating around and available for spontaneous development of new life and a new replicator will be unlikely to survive in an environment filled with far more sophisticated replicators that have had a head start.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

Life has to start pretty simple. Chains of very basic molecules, that kinda self replicate. Those molecules would be tasty nutrients without any evolutionary self defense mechanism. So anything like that would be immediately eaten by the stablished life forms. No chance for enough self replication to evolve into anything.

Our current life tree have had many million years of evolution, we all are perfect killing machines. No proto life have a chance.

[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Someone did an experiment to try and simulate conditions that may have existed at the time. After a while they analyzed what developed and did find some basic building blocks needed for life. You can’t simulate the time scale that would be needed and they greatly increased the probable conditions, but still impressive.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Were perfect. The conditions on earth back when life first appeared were very very different than they are now.

As for how many times it may have happened, there's no way to know, only that it happened at least once (edit: unless it happened elsewhere and came here somehow).

[-] nicerdicer@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago

I believe it did happen more than once. The reason why life on Earth has developed into such complexity is that the primordial soup, where life developed out of, has been cooking undisturbed from events like supernovae and such that would have wiped out everyhing (Earth istself as well as the whole solar system) nearby. Life could develop over several billion years, and cosmic events like asteroid impacts didn't wipe out all of life. Remaining life startet over again.

If life developed on another planet with similar features like earth, it could have been wiped out by a nearby supernova, by a collision between two planets and similar events, before it got any more complex.

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 6 points 1 year ago

I don't have the answer but what an interesting question!

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not convinced it's only happened once.

A new bacterium could have been created in the ocean yesterday. How would we ever know?

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

Assume you mean from simple building blocks instead of evolving from the reproduction of other bacteria, we could know if there were ever enough of this new bacterium for us to find and isolate it.

For one thing, if it didn't come from other living things it would not share the genetic code. Almost all organisms on earth use exactly the same translation of RNA codons to amino acids. The few exceptions are changes of just a couple of codons which had fallen to very low frequencies in the hosts' genomes.

That universal code is one of the reasons we know all life discovered to date evolved from a common ancestor.

A new bacterium, if it evolved convergently to use DNA and RNA and a 3 letter code (a big if), would not use the same translation as modern life. Even if there is some bias towards specific codons, the chance of the same core code happening twice is astronomically low.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

The conditions of the early earth was very different compared to today’s earth. Particularly after photosynthesis was formed.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Behold ty he Life equation. And by extention also the Fermi paradox.

It did but the good spots were already taken and the new life was out-competed.

[-] Eternal192@piefed.social 1 points 1 year ago

There is no way to know other then going back doctor who style, there's plenty of other ideas for you to consider, Stargate had the ancients, there's also a show called the 100, Homeworld games had their own thing, this could be where we evolved or this is a prison planet or a farm like in the Skyline movies or we crashed here on space Titanic, so many theories but no way to know for sure...

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

This takes agnosticism to an extreme. There's no way to know anything "for sure." But there are different levels of certainty, and we can work with probabilities to make reasonable conjectures. That's how science works, at least.

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