I've been waiting for more users tbh.
this post was submitted on 11 Jun 2023
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I just got here. Started overwriting all my posts and comments on Reddit this weekend so there will be nothing left when I leave on the 30th. Gonna spend the next few days figuring things out. I like the upvote and downvote buttons. Feels familiar.
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Decentralized like this is how the internet was meant to be. Power to the people!
Nah it's great to have all of you here <3 I literally screenshot the (presemably) last time a post of mine actually went to the top haha. As long as users from the soon-to-blackout r/PCM don't start flame wars with lemmygrad, all will be okay.
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Oh lawd, I bet there will be a dozen instances for different political inclinations that all have each other blocked lmao
I worry that you can take the users out of Reddit, but you can't take the Reddit out of the users.
I've come here from reddit and I'm worried about the same thing lol. I've already caught myself doing it a bit...
Yeah but so many of the users are bots or karma farmers or assholes though. Even if we only get the assholes, 2 out of 3 ain't bad!
While I had this issue a whole year ago, it's intensified a lot these last weeks: People just don't want to lurk and understand the place. I see people calling communities "subreddits", not reading the rules or basic purpose of the site before signing up and posting and complaining when they get banned, someone asking completely off-topic things in /c/linux, people reacting to titles and not reading the post, people commenting without reading other comments. Especially people coming from popular subreddits and streams where being perfectly redundant is acceptable. If you agree with something and have nothing valuable to add, use the voting instead of burying it! That, and the extra aggression we've seen, especially with people getting culture shock from the politics but just in general.
It's a general attitude of arrogance or uncurious ignorance and it's hard not to be offended, especially when some of us came here, in part, to get away from that culture.
Also, the normalization of pro-capitalist attitudes is a huge bummer. A non-trivial chunk of people trying to rationalize Reddit's actions as 'just a bad CEO' is unfortunate to see, that narrow-sighted denial of systematic factors and of what makes this ecosystem act differently, it's unfortunate especially on lemmy.ml which until recently was explicitly anticapitalist.
Again, this isn't completely new, but it's suddenly become a huge issue which may no longer be manageable without either mass action calling out inconsiderate attitudes, or harsh moderation.
This!
Just kidding. If it's any consolation, some people from reddit, like myself, are still trying to learn Fediverse and Lemmy practices but also hated the meme-speak culture of most reddit and the Right-wing politics. I particularly came to Lemmy because it looked like a privacy-friendly place run by and with Leftists that had actual conversations and I'm really happy I could find something like that, instead of the opposite or nothing! So, thank you and everyone else that's cultivated this place into what it is today! I'm looking forward to a place with real discussion and with people with politics close enough to my own, I also hope it doesn't get overrun with reddit's worst qualities.
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The "pro-capitalist" thing isn't bad IMHO
With Reddit users moving to Lemmy, attitudes on Lemmy become closer to reddit mean: Leaning mid-left due to the majority of users being young western people with many IT workers among them
I remember from the time when Mastodon was very young that many Mastodon instances were explitly far-left,anti-capitalist, queer, or all of this. This caused most other instances to be full.of users who don't want that so even apolitical instances turned into far-right asshole circlejerks
Then both sides started to federate only among each other
Its not like Trumpists,Incelas and such are the majority. I'd rather deal with some shitty communities on a large instance rather than have to think about who to federate with again with half the instances blacklisted. Its not like we can prevent them from using Lemmy anyway. At least some of them might be positively influenced by exposure to other viewpoints
I've covered some of the points about anti-capitalism in the reply I just wrote for a similar post, so I'll link there to avoid redundancy.
I don't really understand the intended message with the Mastodon example. "Free speech" platforms are almost always swamped with neo-nazis, literal pedophiles and other super controversial people searching for sites to host their garbage whenever they get kicked from other places, and revolt most other people who would consider using the platform. This has nothing to do with the anti-capitalist and queer-only instances not wanting to host them, it would have happened even if those instances never existed. You might as well blame Beehaw for blocking the Trump fanatics and neo-Nazis who ended up populating Wolfballs. It doesn't make sense, they're not to blame. Almost any site bans those users, not just far-left, or even left, sites. Most centrists and almost any site with advertisers don't want to share space with Gab users screeching out edgy slurs and spam either. It's a basic expectation of being able to hold a productive conversation. Any community should be allowed to kick out anti-social invaders.
No, instances with basic standards kicking our hateful users isn't to blame for why general instances host them. It's the general instances that accepted them and didn't also say no. Those general instances were allowed to kick them out too, they chose not to. Most Lemmy instances historically have kicked them, even those run by liberal capitalists.
And if they allow they platform to be turned into a Nazi pub, they're certainly not being apolitical. Abstaining is a political decision. Trolley problem 101.
I'm fine with people not wanting to connect with instances filled with people who obsess about wanting to kill them. I don't see the issue here.
I do understand the value of exposing people to different to viewpoints, and the dangers of echo chambers, but there is a lot of space in-between complete isolation and letting everyone into everywhere. And I actually enjoy using separate communities for each. I was one of the few users who used the former Go Talk It Out (gtio.io) Lemmy instance, where any conversation was allowed provided it was good-faith and civil. There are some conversations where I do want a range of political opinions and where political opinions don't even matter, and others where I want to discuss a theoretical idea without unproductive spam from people who see a word and whine or troll. So I would rather see that system of federation, where instances specialise and choose who they link to appropriately.
I am a reddit migrant, but I've been lurking off and on for a year or so. Honestly it has a feel like it could be like reddit was a long time ago, smaller communities, more engagement with people that really care about the community, and communities that really feel niche. One of the things that's sucked to watch on Reddit is the amount of random communities I run into on all that aren't gaming or another animes soft core hentai subreddits has decreased significantly. So it feels like there are 10 meme subreddits that all post the same picture, 5 politics subreddits that all post the same stories and memes, and then various popular subreddits that just aren't something I'm into like formula1. I miss finding new interests on all, for example it got me into fountain pens. Or at the very last allowing non-drawn nsfw content on all kept me scrolling long enough to find it lmao.
Absolutely, discovering something new has always been a great part of all sites where users create their own communities. One I know even had a feature where each week they randomly (in a fun game) selected a nominated community to advertise sitewide. I've almost completely avoided large communities for the past... eight years, give or take. The fun was always on the fringe, nowhere near as much low-quality attention seeking or dumbing down to twitter screencap reposts there.
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the Reddit users moving over are the ones that care about social media and are willing to invest time learning new platforms. i think it's the masses we have to worry about, and I don't think they'll move over until they are forced to
My lemmy-age is 1 day (newborn). Serious question... just how old are the lemmy ancients?
Seen some accounts that are 2 years old, and topics 3 years old.
Must have been lonely...
Yeah what the hell were those guys doing for years
I think the question you should be asking is what were you doing.
fair
Lurked for a week and left, userbase was way too low. More new topics this past week than an entire month last time I logged on 2 years ago! I love it here now
I tried to make an account last year but got bored waiting to be approved :/
Mine is 3 years old. Back then, I signed up but never really posted, just lurked for a while and went to explore Tildes instead. So yeah, didn't really do anything. I remember there being a few enthusiastic users about open-source software but also a few tankies, which kinda turned me off it. But I'm glad Lemmy's exploding with activity right now, as we got a more diverse userbase.
Honest question. What are tankies?
Originally, like someone said, it was a derogatory term for supporters of Khrushchev military intervention against a revolt in Hungary in 1956.
It is also used to pejoratively refer to a supporter of some leftist regimes, such as that of Stalin's USSR, China, and North Korea (also Pol Pot's Cambodia, probably). Are also a supporter of Putin's Russia and its invasion of Ukraine.
Take of it what you will.
t's a derogatory term for far-left Marxist-Leninists (MLs). Some MLs proudly wear the label (see r/InformedTankie on reddit) since the term has been overused to the point of meaninglessness. Basically, any sympathies with or presenting info contradicting mainstream propaganda about socialist states (USSR, PRC, DPRK) will have you branded "tankie", i even just read a post from r/rust saying they dont want to move to any Lemmy instance because we're a buncha tankies
Thank you comrade.
i was just lurking every couple of months after i first used it but i wasn't really a regular user
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Close to 6 months for me. I came to the fediverse just over a year ago when Musk first made moves to take over Twitter, and then found lemmy around 6 months ago. This account is slightly younger than that though, because I started on lemmy.ml before we started this instance
Hardly ancient, but not new either.
Tangentially-related, perhaps: I'm a member of a subreddit that went from ~20,000 to over 2 million while I've been there. The increased quantity was fine, but the quality of postings cratered.
It had been a forum for people who did a particular thing, then suddenly 95% of the posters were dreamers/tirekickers who saw influencer YT/Insta content and came in to ask the same spoonfeedy questions over and over. Five minutes reading the sub would answer the FAQs, but no.
In order to keep my blood pressure under control I focus on specific technical areas and reply only to those that seem to be able/willing to understand.
That analogy is very much like what we're feeling now.
I made an account when I first heard of Lemmy a few months ago, lost my login details. With the userbase taking such a huge uptick I've decided to get back on it.
I think its great, it'll be better in some ways, worse in other ways, but you just follow the content you wanna see and you're good. Reddit has been due for a mass migration to another platform for a while now, it seems this is just now the tipping point.
Ultimately I think to have redditors switch to a reddit-like platform that isn't controlled by investors is a great idea. And if you dont like the way your instance is run, make your own. You can do that. Can't do that on reddit.
I always liked libre software culture, even in my digital music production. Feels pretty good to see these decentralized platform grow up!
This is a great question - I'm new myself, and while it all feels very welcoming and friendly so far, I'd hate to think that there was some established Lemmiquette that I was unwittingly breaching.
I'd love to see this place become a genuine alternative to Reddit, but not if it pisses off the people who were here from the start.
The bigger, the better a social media platform is.
Lemmy will be fine as long as the toxic Reddit users doesnβt migrate over
I'm new to lemmy/kbin but used mastodon before the twitter exodus. After that mastodon has indeed gotten some twitter flavor so I guess it's the same here.
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