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According to the former president, Americans are now experiencing "a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors."

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 148 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Carter, correct as usual. I am surprised to hear this though, if only because the last I heard Carter was in hospice. And that was months ago. Dude just survives.

[–] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 175 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is an article from 8 years ago (2015)

[–] blargerer@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is, however, still alive despite being in hospice for months.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

dude is probably doing building code inspections on the place and fixing things that nobody else gets around to

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's a good baseball fan actually. Finishing out the world series even though his Braves lost to the Phillies.

On that note, go Dbacks

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which countries play in the World Series?

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The good ones /s

[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And didn't this come from research conducted at a major university, studying what bills are passed/ enacted, and which ones fail?

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B : Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens 18 September 2014

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy 17 April 2014

https://act.represent.us/sign/usa-oligarchy-research-explained/ : The US is an Oligarchy? The research Explained -

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11502464/gilens-page-oligarchy-study : Remember that study saying America is an oligarchy? 3 rebuttals say it's wrong. 9 May 2016
"There's only one problem: Research published since then has raised serious questions about this paper, both its finding and its analysis. This is, of course, how normal science works; some academics put a finding out there, and their peers pick it apart.

But the study has become a frequently invoked piece of evidence in debates about money in politics, and the public and political debate has not kept up with the scholarly one. And the latest scholarly critiques suggest that while the rich certainly have more political influence than the middle class, ordinary Americans still win a substantial share of the time, even when the affluent oppose them."

I'm glad to see some rebuttals, AND our democracy is definitely flawed.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

That Vox article is extremely well done. Count me among those who had heard the hyped original study, but not the rebuttals.

Still a really shitty ratio, and I even loved the original authors' responses to the rebuttals. Makes me hope they do a follow up.

So much nuance behind what is acceptable when the US is a representative democracy (supposed to assume the representative is more educated on a voting topic than we are, so maybe our opinion is not as important a factor anyway).

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is, of course, how normal science works; some academics put a finding out there, and their peers pick it apart.

Yeah... which means the rebuttals can be picked apart, too. I've read one of them... it doesn't actually seem all that solid to me. Can't say much about the other two.

Ah, that makes more sense. I just skipped right over the date at the top of the article. Thanks.

[–] Zitronensaft@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

This is an old article, but Carter did recently visit a peanut festival or parade of some sort. I was surprised someone in hospice was well enough to go out for a drive. The people I knew that entered hospice weren't well enough for that kind of outing except maybe the first week or so after they switched to hospice care from the regular prolong your life kind of treatment.

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hospice care just means you're expected to die within six months the last time you were evaluated.

[–] Zitronensaft@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

It also means you no longer get any kind of medication or treatment meant to prolong your life, not even IVs for the last relative of mine who went through hospice. He pretty much just got pain pills and some vitamins for the last few months until his organs finally gave out on him.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 90 points 1 year ago

Every time I see a Jimmy Carter headline my heart skips… may he live forever!

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Imma post an 8 year old article to rile people up. - OP

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what? It's not like things has turned around these last 8 years.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

We’re boldly going forward cause we cannot find reverse

[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Narrator: "and it worked".

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

If this were a college class it would be: “Read this article and let’s discuss it”.

Of course it’s gonna be something that riles people up. Though it might be good to have tags for whether something is news or recent history or history.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

correct and idc but he was the last decent american president

[–] HoagieBoy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If by decent you mean "person" then dammit he's been one of the greatest presidents/people. If you mean politically, I don't think he was meant for that game. I think you need a certain level of narcissism and desire to F over regular people for the benefit of the elites. He was lacking that. What he DID do, that no one can take away from his accomplishments, is he legalized home brewing which is why American beer is now good and not crap like it was before. These home brewers became the microbrewers, which is why we have what we have now. That God for Jimmy Carter.

Man expanded parks and increased EPA (I think, on that second one, not positive), and gave the office and the position of retired president the most prestige and honor through his actions and commitment to the people of this country than it's seen in some time.

Jimmy is a role model. I pray his life is as wholesome as we believe because if that man is secretly corrupt then I may lose a lion's share of my hope.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He was the last 100% decent US president, there has been a few mostly decent IMO. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I guess Joe Biden is mostly decent too.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I don't know about Clinton. Guy was a sex pest who hung out with Epstein.

Obama and Biden are probably decent by politician standards, with both of them earning most of their money through books, salaries, and government bonds. Biden was famously poor for a Senator. While they themselves aren't directly invested in big business and got most of their money from Labor rather than capital, they were still at the mercy of wealthy interests.

They wouldn't have been able to raise money for their campaigns or had influence in Washington without their moderate views. They overall want to support the welfare state and regulate the worst effects of capitalism, but they're pragmatic to a fault, stuck in the neoliberal mindset of the 80s and 90s, where welfare was a dirty word. They fully buy into the American mythos of hardwork paying off and meritocracy. They believe capitalism serves Americans best, but fail to realize just how much of that service was thanks to unions and limits on business.

Of course they support the American nationalism and imperialism that has contributed to many of our current problems, but they are better than Republicans. Most of their decisions are cold and evil, favoring selfish US interests, but Republicans are on a different level. They do unnecessarily cruel shit, even when it isn't the most prudent thing for America. They fuck over everybody, including Americans, so long as it helps right wingers gain power. By the time Trump came along, they weren't even serving the interests of the businesses that support them. They favor ludicrous ideas like blanket import tariffs or wars with Mexico that hurt regular people and business alike, but cynically help the party. Thanks to the leftward shift of Democratic fiscal policy from neoliberalism to standard liberalism, the don't need to work as hard to be preferable to Democrats for rich people. They can make a few shitty economic decisions so long as they deregulate and privatize hard enough.

Fuck, another essay. Oh well. Biden and Obama believe they're doing right by their country, even if they're wrong, while Republicans only want to benefit themselves, and Trump only cares for Trump.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't really matter if he was decent or not, doesn't it? If we give him the benefit of the doubt (which I don't - Carter is a war criminal just like the rest of them), it means he spent eight years in the Waffle House without being able to fix any of it. That speaks volumes as to how the political establishment in the US actually works.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

4 years. He lost reelection.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, right... I forgot about that.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago

Based peanut farmer.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

because Americans are too ignorant and proud to recognize con-men

[–] midori@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ain’t democracy grand? Ten people vote not to drive over a cliff, eleven people vote to drive over it, and everybody dies because them’s the rules.

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

And too proud to realize they've been had.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well also the torrent of money being spent to on propaganda to keep us utterly delusional has some role in this.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

the real problem is the ease with which we can pass blame to other causes

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Almost completely unaware of how to solve the problems meaningfully.

Disillusioned with the legal voting process as being completely ineffectual to solve the problems, or any important problem for that matter. Our politics feels like more of a distraction than anything.

Way too depressed and overworked and burnt out to try to think/work on any actual meaningful way to solve these extremely substantial and challenging problems.

So unfortunately, I just live one day at a time, enjoy the little things, and wait until it's time to die.

I honestly don't think we're going to get any meaningful change without extreme violence, extreme longterm hardship, and lots and lots of death and pain. But what do I know?

[–] markr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They want you to believe voting is useless. It isn’t. It remains the only effective peaceful strategy to reform the system. But you have to vote, and you have to participate and demand representation.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I’ve been voting for 24 years. When will it start working?

[–] brezel@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i think there really is a crisis regarding democracy (especially in the US but also in europe). it is very difficult to get enough media coverage and visibility unless you are a millionaire of friends with millionaires. it's almost like a closed club. i think what exacerbates the problem is that many americans view being a millionaire als being successful whereas in other places people who are excessively rich are rather viewed as reckless or corrupt.

[–] Murais@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

That's one rustled Jimmy.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Former president Jimmy Carter said Tuesday on the nationally syndicated radio show the Thom Hartmann Program that the United States is now an “oligarchy” in which “unlimited political bribery” has created “a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors.” Both Democrats and Republicans, Carter said, “look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves.”

Carter was responding to a question from Hartmann about recent Supreme Court decisions on campaign financing like Citizens United.

Transcript:

I’ve added Carter’s statement to this list of politicians acknowledging that money controls politics.

Please let me know if you have other good examples.

(Thanks to Sam Sacks for pointing this out.)


The original article contains 104 words, the summary contains 104 words. Saved 0%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

Toss in insider trading and we're pretty much screwed. We the people can't compete.

Toss in insider trading and we're pretty much screwed. We the people can't compete.

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