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Bernie Sanders becomes first US senator to say Israel committing genocide in Gaza (www.theguardian.com)

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Joseph Gedeon in Washington
Wed 17 Sep 2025 18.18 EDT

“We, as Americans, must end our complicity in the slaughter of the Palestinian people,” he wrote. “Having named it a genocide, we must use every ounce of our leverage to demand an immediate ceasefire, a massive surge of humanitarian aid facilitated by the UN, and initial steps to provide Palestinians with a state of their own.”

He now joins a small but growing list of House members including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib and Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene, as well as Vermont representative Becca Balint, who also called it a genocide earlier in the day.

“Today, I believe the Israeli government is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Balint wrote in an op-ed in the Courier. “As the granddaughter of a man murdered in the Holocaust, it is not easy for me to say that.”

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[-] lemmylump@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Why is the truth so difficult to say?

What Israel is doing to Palestinians is genocide.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Killing any and all Muslims has been fully justified since 9/11. All 1.3 billion of them are enemy combatants.

And no, before you ask, this doesn't apply in reverse to white Western Christians. It's actually racist of you to suggest it would.

[-] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Fuck him , after all this time this is how he starts his op-ed :

"Hamas, a terrorist organization, began this war with its brutal attack on October 7, 2023, which killed 1,200 innocent people and took 250 hostages. Israel, as any other country, had a right to defend itself from Hamas"

he is complicit in genocide

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Wow Bernie Sanders claims all 373 active duty IDF Nazis killed were innocent people.

Fuck Bernie Sanders.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Trying to pass off on duty IDF soldiers as innocent civilians is absolutely disgusting.

[-] causepix@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Also lumping in deaths from Israeli bombs in that figure (re: Hannibal directive)

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

History began on October 7th. Hamas was mean to Israel for no reason. They're all just psychotic monsters who need to be wiped off the face of the earth

But the Israelis went a little too far. So I'm writing them a letter asking someone to apologize.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

About fucking time, too. It was a running joke that he had an autocorrect function in his brain that changed every instance of "Israel" to "Netanyahu" and deleted every mention of the word genocide.

Good on him for finally showing the courage to speak directly and honestly about the worst genocide since the most famous one, though.

Now if only he could realize that a two state solution is a nonstarter. Israel has shown that they don't exempt the territories of foreign nations any more than the occupied Palestinian territories.

The only way to achieve anything resembling lasting peace is to dismantle the Israeli apartheid regime and replace it with an ACTUALLY democratic nation that doesn't inherently discriminate based on ethnicity, religion, and ancestry.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Now if only he could realize that a two state solution is a nonstarter.

i hope you like waiting because that's all you're going to get from him.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I know.

I've long since given up on him ever getting there, but that doesn't mean that I can't express that it would be better if he did 🤷

[+] silasmariner@programming.dev -6 points 1 year ago

the worst genocide since the most famous one

... Really? Worse than Rwanda? Cambodia? It's enough that it's very very bad, you don't have to go flaunting your historical ignorance.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, worse than both of those.

I'm not at all ignorant about either, but you might be ignorant of the sheer scale and longevity of the one Israel has been continually committing since 1948.

[+] silasmariner@programming.dev -11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok. Wow. I'm in the wrong channel for this. I apologise. This was not the place for the conversation. Removed.

[-] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

There’s a reason people weren’t making those claims until the last couple of years

Plenty of people correctly said it was a genocide since 1948, so I'm not sure what you mean here.

[+] silasmariner@programming.dev -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ditto.

I don't disagree with the points I made, but they were made insensitively in an inappropriate space, and I am removing them

[-] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

technically incorrect sense when referring to forced displacement

Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing isn't genocide??

That bar was not met until recently.

Performing genocide denial and erasing the Nakba to show why genocide has only just occurred is weird.

technically incorrect sense when referring to forced displacement

[+] silasmariner@programming.dev -7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again, best to remove this

[-] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You said the bar for genocide has only just been reached in 2025.... erasing the Nakba that started in 1947.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -3 points 1 year ago

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[-] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Twat

Being rude AND denying a genocide won't get you anywhere, pick a struggle.

your advice on whether there are other outrageous crimes against humanity being committed

It is not my advice and I would never speak on behalf of the Palestinians, so maybe get that clear.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago

Accepting that something is a genocide and stressing that genocide is bad but also other genocides exist doesn't sound like denial to me but you do you

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely love that the part of my post that it presumably got deleted for is visible in your comment about it. That says something, doesn't it?

[-] craftymansamcf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, that we were correct you were rude with that comment. Quoting the part where you were rude is not necessarily a breach of the rules.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good stuff, hope you find this a productive way of engaging yourself in discussion. Would hate for you to have to see a rude word (that you hadn't yourself posted, Obviously. You're special and get special rules because you're so great and we all love you)

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

What a fucking baby

[-] Piperpiper1@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The nakba was a genocide, dumbass. Don't blame others for your ignorance; you chose to be loud and wrong; then people smarter than you called that out.

Instead of calling people names you should do some research on the genocide and colonization of Palestinians/Palestine.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -3 points 1 year ago

Ok numbers obviously not your strong suit. Displacement of 700k ppl, whilst obviously a tragedy on a massive scale, is not equatable to the murder of 8+ million. That is my claim. If you wish to dispute it plz tr harder than 'genocide denier', just because you happen to care more about this one.

[-] Piperpiper1@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna spell it out nice and slow for you: the nakba was a genocide.

Calling it a "displacement" when it lead to the total ethnic removal of a group of people is actually trying to mislabel what everyone (except you) understands happened.

Genocides include: killing, rape, and displacement. All of which happened in the nakba. Genocide is when you want to remove people from a land by means of displacement and murder based entirely on the identity of the victims.

People get displaced due to wars and natural disasters; we don't call those genocides because there is no fucking desire to destroy/remove an entire group of people based on their identity.

Genocide= people are being killed and removed because of their race/religion/ethnicity

I cannot explain it any simpler, if you still don't understand then you're either stupid, rotten, or some combination of the two.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago

Mate. The point I'm here to make is : calling what's happening in Palestine the worst genocide since the Holocaust of the Jewish people is not a strictly accurate claim by most metric I would expect to measure it by (total death count or proportion of population being the two most obvious ones, hence Cambodia because that was fuckinc rough). Will it eventually achieve that notorious level of savagery? I hope not. I hope the cunts are shamed into behaving. But it behoovs you you remember that there are many many terrible things going on and which have already gone on, and some sweeping statements with no basis in anything quantitative can look very much like erasure.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Of course you're already know this because you're super duper smart and awesome and just such a font of moral wisdom, there are never any grey spaces with you, it's amazing the clarity that comes to me in those brief moments where you're here to help guide me

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

Sorry, I misspoke in my passion. I meant to say a quarter of 8 million people. I apologise for the misleading numbers

[-] Piperpiper1@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Then say "2 million" you fucking dumbass, who tf says "a quarter of 8 million"?

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago

Someone referring to the fact that it was a quarter of the population of a country with 8mil ppl living in it. Dumbass.

[-] Piperpiper1@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then say 2 fucking million. Everyone can do the math and no one dick measures genocides with percents.

Jesus, admit you're wrong and fuck off.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

That's Cambodia I'm talking about btw. It's one of the other genocides. Of which there are far too many to be remotely comfortable. One is evil incarnate. Do not think for a second I am trying to make excuses.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

said atrocities have only recently graduated to fit the definition of genocide

No, they have only recently worsened enough and become publicly verifiable enough that people are admitting what's been true for a century.

There's a reason people weren't making those claims until the last couple of years

And that reason is that the media and governments of all western nations were implicitly trusting the Hasbara lies and gaslighting most other people to do so too.

That the lies only recently stopped working doesn't mean that they only recently started being lies.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

A century? What was going on in 1926 ?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Worse than Rwanda? Cambodia?

We're looking at hundreds of thousands of casualties, virtually the entire population of the Gaza strip, dead within the next two years.

That said, the civil war in Sudan is potentially worse by raw numbers, as they've got a large population.

In terms of percentages, it's a race to the bottom between these two modern day genocides.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because after all, if someone else can just come along and remove something I said, surely I should be permitted the same capability

[-] Miro_Collas@masto.ai 5 points 1 year ago

@pete_link About damn time! Even worse is that it is only him - thus far.

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