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[-] Speiser0@feddit.org 33 points 1 year ago

On german QWERTZ keyboards, you need to use shift to make : and !.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

On US ones as well, I think they just put the relevant key-symbols and excluded the combination press as they can be assumed.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I have a custom keyboard with a QMK firmware. I enabled something called auto shift. It's the best. Just hold down the key you want shifted, and it auto shifts. I settled for enabling this for capital letters and symbols. So comfortable not to have to press the shift key.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

So you hold down the first letter of each sentence longer so that it capitalizes rather than hold shift? That feels like it would completely mess with my flow when typing. Shift just happens naturally for me and I don't register I'm pushing it.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Exactly like that, yes. Or 1 for exclamation point, or 2 for @. Just like on a phone keyboard, with tap and hold for symbols and numbers and such.

I've had this keyboard for a few months now and I didn't enable it exactly for the reasons you mention.

I enabled it a few weeks ago now just to try it, and wow, I though I didn't notice myself pressing the shift key, that it "came naturally". Boy was I wrong. Now whenever I have to use the shift key it feels so cumbersome lol. Typing has become so comfortable now.

I use a ZSA Voyager for reference.

[-] pipe01@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

What if you wanna repeat a character?

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I spam the key. But that is such an extremely rare case that it's worth the trade-off. The firmware also does allow you to add a key to toggle auto shifting on and off, so I could just add that if I want, but I don't see the need.

If I need to repeat a character many times in a text editor, I'd just use the features of the editor to do so. Helix or Neovim has you covered for repeating characters thousands of times and copying it to the clipboard with a handful of keystrokes if you wish. But what an edge case though.

For double letters, I just double tap like you would normally when typing. 👍

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 year ago

Yea, this would be super slow

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 1 year ago

Here in Tarzania we hold the superior and elusive ! key

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Same on Dvorak.

Though the custom coder's Dvorak I use while programming has a dedicated ! key. Shift still needed for : though.

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[-] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

vim something.log
esc
quit
exit
ctrl+x
ctrl+q
shushejehojwhatiwibaln):gufht;vfgs+_&f
reboot
nano something.log

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

shushejehojwhatiwibaln

fond memories of this distro

[-] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Why would a text editor use a key like q to quit, obviously quit is + ZZ

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago

We’re just quitting without writing? Living very dangerously aren’t we?

[-] shirro@aussie.zone 25 points 1 year ago

It is an emergency exit not a normal exit.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

When I accidentally edit a very important file very incorrectly and don't know what it looked like before

[-] embed_me@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

The real emergency exit will leave swap files

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

ctrl+z, kill %1

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[-] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It's advice for how most people end up in vim in the first place. git commit (without -m)

[-] hamsda@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago

Thank you very much. I sent this to my coworker who expressed interest in switching to vim :)

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago

how to quit vim

  1. pull computer cord out of wall
[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

Now it's just running on battery

[-] thagoat@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

5 key presses to save and exit. Frickin vim.

[-] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I’m pretty sure that’s close without saving changes. :wq would be needed to save.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 1 year ago

To be precise, : means bring up commands, w means save, q means exit, and ! means force

[-] HeurtisticAlgorithm9@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago

I think it's w = write and q = quit so the letters make more sense

[-] glitches_brew@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Also :x is the same as :wq

[-] ryper@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be more precise, q means quit the current window. If you've split the window, e.g. with :split or :vsplit, use :qa to quit all windows.

[-] villainy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Or 3. Hold shift, press ZZ to save and quit ZQ to quit without saving.

5. Writing and quitting

  					ZZ

ZZ Write current file, if modified, and close the current window (same as ":x"). If there are several windows for the current file, only the current window is closed.

  					ZQ

ZQ Quit without checking for changes (same as ":q!").

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

four. the ! is unnecessary. how many actions are there to save and quit in other editors? ctrl, s, ctrl, w is four. move to file, click, move to save, click, move to ×, click is six.

and that's before we replace the wq with x.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

If we count the modifier keys:

Vim: esc, shift+:, w, q, Enter

Emacs: ctrl-s, crtl+x ctrl+c, or use the menu options

I use both, but find Emacs much quicker, though vim is easier to learn, though Emacs is easier while you're learning

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[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

Depends how you count. Both : and ! require shift as well.

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Fuck it I’m pulling the power cord

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[-] 2910000@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Works as long as you didn't put something silly in your nvim config like

vim.keymap.set("ca", "q!", "echo 'not so fast!'")
[-] marlowe221@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I believe that’s Vim for “Beam us out, Mr. Scott”

[-] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 year ago
[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Or just ZZ for me since I’m rarely in insert mode (I just press esc quickly after making an edit out of habit).

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

ZZTop could not be reached for comment

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

ZZ for the win.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Would it be q a ! ?

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

Or just ctrl-z to get out of it and "fg" to get back. :)

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[-] darkreader2636@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

yet here in trq i need to press shift in %80 of the keys (that's why i use micro)

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[-] neblem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You all exit your editor? How you do the rest of your computing?

/s with ♡ from an Emacs fan.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Emacs really is an excellent desktop environment

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