The left an the right are natural enemies! Like the left and the left! (lemmy.nz)

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[-] Assassassin@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Smug centrism is obviously the answer

[+] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org -9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Or left centrism xD

E: Is left centerism in its essence just antifasicsm? What can all left people agree on? Certainly antifascism, but what are other topics we can agree on?

E2: I mean many of us can't even agree on this meme it seems.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Considering the way "leftists" advocate for fascist countries posing as Communist utopia's, I am not convinced that all of us can agree on being anti-fascist, either.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago

Those aren't leftists, they're tankies

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca -4 points 11 months ago

Wanting full control in the hands of the state is still a set of beliefs aligned with the left, even if it is fascist authoritarianism.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago

What leftist philosophy accepts a fascist government in charge? And don't say nazis

[-] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

Bolshevism came damn close.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

If the state controls the means of production, then the workers don't. Full stop, no matter how much Bolsheviks want to argue with you about it.

Some people treat Left and Right as more akin to conferences that your sports team joins than actual descriptive terms for political beliefs.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

That's because they are.

No one understands what either one actually means, which in a way is fine, because neither side does even a reasonable job of describing a complex political beliefs. People select one to identify as the good guy, label the other the bad guy, and then dig in. I take issues with the authoritarians on both sides of this false dichotomy. Tankie, nazi, imperialist or neo-nazi, I don't care which side of the political spectrum they believe they identify with; fascists can fun off.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

One means kings, one means no kings. We use the term Right to describe a set of political beliefs in which a societal elite rules and power & ideas flow from the top down. The further right you go, the smaller & more exclusive the elite gets, the steeper and stricter hierarchies get. The Left describes a set of political beliefs in which rule is shared or replaced with self rule, hierarchies are shallow or non-existent; power & ideas flow from the bottom up. The further left you go the less you're willing to compromise on those points and the more you start to see economic power as equivalent to political power.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

This is the intended dichotomy, yes. My point was that it is not understood correctly by a majority of people, and a systems intent doesn't matter if it's used differently.

And my original point was that, even in a king less eliteless system, with power flowing from the bottom, the system is still susceptible to corruption via authoritarianism. The beliefs that lead to this just come from a position of "what's best for all happens to be painful for the few." At some extremes, these beliefs can be used to justify oppression as equally as a merit-based, right wing authoritarian system.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

The closest to a universal on the Left is opposition to hunger/starvation for any reason.

[-] remon@ani.social 1 points 11 months ago

Not if you want to lose weight, that's a reason.

[-] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

Context my dude. Hunger is a term we apply to people having insufficient food available while you're applying it out of context to the bodily sensation of being motivated to eat.

[-] remon@ani.social 1 points 11 months ago

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 7 points 11 months ago

What is actually important? ...

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 11 months ago

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.

....Wait. 🤔 That's just the best things, not the important ones.

[-] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 2 points 11 months ago

The points we can agree on for example. And the rise of what is against all of these points, aka. fascism.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

[-] Rudee@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Well I support raising the blade of the guillotine on the wealthy, so clearly you're a centrist troll! /s

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 0 points 11 months ago

None of those things are inherently left or right wing. You just don't know what words mean.

If you still support the system of private ownership of and control over capital/equity, where the allocation and distribution of goods/services is decided by the monetary-based markets for the goal of generating profit, you are inherently right-wing.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 0 points 11 months ago

Congratulations for reaffirming you just don't have any concept of political theory.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

I love how this meme complains about pointless quarrelling while starting a quarrel with...

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The entire left! Like come on, you're not even practicing what you preach. You're not asking for unity, only trying to shame people into submission like the supposed smug leftists you're calling out.

[-] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 1 points 11 months ago

Actually I'm just making fun of us. Being self-concious and self-ironic can be quite helpful. But I wont start a discussion about it.

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