I use Kagi. Paying for a search engine isn't something that I ever saw myself doing, but I do honestly believe it's the only way they can exist that means the users are the customers instead of the product.
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Second for Kagi
Not only solving the customer vs product problem. It really does have a number of great customizable features that easily make it the best.
Also can be purchased via crypto for maximum privacy. They also offer something I eould call "AI Studio", where you can easily switch models, and the chats are fully private and don't share context. You can customize which domains to promote, demote, block, pin, and they have some nice bangs functionality.
I stopped paying for all streaming platforms, and Kagi is hands down the best bang for my buck as I already use it every day (in contrast of binging a show every two months).
Yeah, I meant to say in the post but forgot... I'm currently housing insecure, food insecure, etc... so I'm looking for a non-Kagi solution. But it's definitely on my radar to try when I do have $ to spare.
Sign up and you get 100 searches for free, plus unlimited !bangs. Worth making an account for when you can't find what you're looking for on the others.
searxng :)
Here is a list of alternative (meta-)search engines:
Swisscow
Qwant
Ecosia
DuckDuckGo
SearXNG
MetaGer
Leta by Mullvad
Mojeek
Kagi (Paid I think)
Das all I can remember rn.
SearxNG has been bad lately, so just put priority words first to get around it.
Hwat exactly do you mean by SearXNG being bad? Cause in some sens that isn't even a thing. It's a meta search engine.
The results do not match the search. Often it's a bunch of Chinese. I just switch to Swisscows. When SearXNG gets ironed out, I'll probably switch back just because I like that it's federated.
You fundamentally misunderstand the techbology you are using. SearXNG is not federated, it is a selfhostable meta search engine. If you have an instance that has a lot of chinese results, then that instance's owner hss chosen chinese search engines. SearXNG can be considered to have the exact same results as other engines do. You can only receive Google results, Brave, what have you, but it being a meta search engine, you can also mix results. It can also search other indices than search engines for the modern web, such as wikis or published papers. SearXNG is "ironed out". It's feature complete.
I forgot that I might have switched instances. Thanks for the explanation. I might try to revert back to the one I was using and see if that helps.
If you have firther questions, you may also dm me.
currently attempting to tune the Ublacklist extension to remove most of the clickbait results
This is one of the killer features for me in Kagi. The ability to buff or debuff websites in the results. Whenever I encounter an AI slopsite, I immediately block it in Kagi and it'll never show up again. Other websites are annoying, but occasionally return good results, so I'll just debuff them in the search results.
Arch Linux forums? Guix mailing list? Max buff!
That being said, I do wish there was a more open source friendly alternative or a search engine that didn't just rebrand Bing or Google results. Maybe SearXNG or Mojeek?
That feature of Kagi is so awesome and I wish other search engines would implement it.
Just try Kagi and you'll never look back.
I forgot to include in the post that I'm too broke for Kagi, otherwise I'd have tried it already :(
Last time I checked Kagi didn’t have an option for people who just do a few searches a month so it ended being too expensive for me.
I might have to check again though😇
Just going to give Wiby a shoutout because no-one else has. More for curiosity / surfing than research, but you definitely get unique results.
I also use Kagi. It has the option for AI but doesn't shove it down your throat like other providers.
One feature I especially appreciate from Kagi are URL redirects. I can have it automatically replace parts of the URL from any search result. For example, I have YouTube results redirect to Invidious, and Reddit redirect to redlib, without me having to replace the domain myself
I have my own SearXNG self hosted Instance but I'm probably going to switch it to 4get today. I've just noticed it getting worse and worse over time. slow, bad results, or just randomly starts 504ing when everything else (forgejo, vaultwarden, navidrome, jellyfin, Akkoma, etc) on my server continues to work fight.
Tried some 4get instances and it's just so damn snappy and quick.
I noticed the same bad search issue a few weeks ago. I tried several other instances from searx.space and they all gave bad results. I reverted to DDG. I'll have to give 4get a shot.
I don't know if your complain about serxng is something you'll eventually get with 4get. Whatever works at any time. See google and other search engines had been playing awful to searxng. At some point google will notice 4get instances and will take on them as well. On searx[ng] on the side one can see what has been suspended, denied, timed out, etc.
Time wise, 4get allows for only 1 engine at a time. searx[ng] allows for several no wonders it can take time. BTW the user can choose any of the engines per search they want. That of course can take more time. The point is that right now all search engines have taken it on searx[ng], and options are welcome. Self hosting is working better maybe because the search engines don't feel threaten by it.
The good thing is to have alternatives.
BTW, I thought google found the way to finally get rid of invidio, but it seems there are a couple of instances still working. Good !
I did end up switching from searxng to 4get on my server yesterday as I previously stated I would. It's much better. way faster.
if you want you can try it out on my instance https://4get.andmc.ca/
Do you know what happened to Searx? Did the big engines create algos to throw it off?
no clue. I just noticed it getting slower and worse not only on my instance but a few others thus the reason I switched.
I use SearXNG self hosted, and I see 4get....
You know, I've tried using instances of searx, and it was never satisfactory to me. Often it would show "no result" found. IDK what I've done wrong. I wanna know how you guys use it.
Yandex is deptessingly good
Oh hmm... their image search is second to none but it never really crossed my mind to try the regular search, I'm not even sure why.
For Lemmy, I guess 22 comments counts as a mega thread.
I switched to using Ecosia a while back, and have had no problems with it. The results are generally relevant enough for everyday use, and it feels good knowing that my searches contribute (at least in some small way) to reforestation projects.
It’s not perfect, of course.. It still relies partly on bing’s index, but the experience has been stable and consistent for me. I also like that the interface is clean and privacy-focused without trying to upsell the search experience.
In the past I’ve tried alternatives like StartPage and DuckDuckGo, but Ecosia has quietly become my default. It just works well enough without much fuss, and that’s something I really appreciate right now.
Rooting for ecosia with it plans to create their own index, but unhappy with the direction they're gping specially with AI
I feel the same way. I’d love to see them move toward developing their own independent index. I also really hope they stay true to what makes them different and don’t get caught up in the whole “AI-everything” trend. Search doesn’t need to be artificially padded or reworded by a chatbot, it just needs to be genuinely useful, transparent, and connected to reality. If Ecosia focused entirely on building a clean, human-centered search experience powered by their own index, without the AI noise, I think that would be far more valuable than following the same path other major engines have taken....
I'm gonna comment on my personal experience with a few search engines.
- Startpage I stopped using because, and it took me a while to notice this, the searches aren't included in the URL. This means if I want to bookmark a startpage search for later or find a startpage search in my browser history I can't. This is a dealbreaker for me.
- Qwant didn't have advanced search tools of any kind, and it also didn't work in Singapore (where I occasionally set my VPN to).
- Mojeek ... is not ready yet.
- Kagi I tried for a bit but I'm not paying a subscription to an American company for search.
Ultimately I ended back up on ~~Duckduckgo~~ Startpage. I think perhaps we should go back to web directories instead of search engines.
- https://www.startpage.com/do/settings
- Privacy and Safety
- HTTP request method > GET
still a ddg user myself but theres how you solve your startpage problem
We could use the fediverse the find answers today as well? If we could index and search across all instances and threads?
I have no idea what you just said.
OK. Will keep it simple: build a search engine around the fediverse (lemmy etc.).
Instead of using Google to find results on reddit..
That is not equivalent to a web directory and is a function that can already be effectively done with duckduckgo and startpage.
EDIT: Nevermind, Startpage at least doesn't allow wildcards.
No its not equivalent to a web directory. I just proposed an alternative.
Is start page sleezy? I tried it and it's good.
I use Startpage. I don't know much about it.