Why is there symbol of islam as piefed.social logo? : ask

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Uygur solidarity?

[-] rimu@piefed.social 22 points 11 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_East_Turkestan

[+] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social -26 points 11 months ago

Seriously? Does @rimu@piefed.social know about this? Commies bad, I get it. But this is a slippery slope. This is too much politics.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yesterday it was the flag of the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement, before that it was Palestine, before that it was Tibet, before that it was Ukraine.

It's not directed against any one country, government or political party. It is against authoritarianism wherever it occurs and all it's forms.

[+] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social -21 points 11 months ago

Why? Don't you think it might turn many people off? This sends the message like "we are aware of policitcs on PieFed and we have strong opinions on a lot of topics here. You can speak, we let you speak. This site is all about politics".

And it might end up being all about politics just like you wish. And I don't think it's a good idea. I think it's better to create a chill space for people. Allowing politics disucssion of course, but this right here and what you just said sends "politics-first" kind of vibes.

[-] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 42 points 11 months ago

This place is based on politics. You are on a decentralised, open-source space with mamy people being various kinds of left.

Without politics this place will probably become hollow and eventually die.

People tend to ignore politics in their life, while the system we live in destroys us. It is a good idea to talk about politics (and do stuff about it).

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If the instance being anti-authoritarian turns people off, good fucking riddance. If it makes someone feel the need to get all political and start attacking people, then good fucking riddance to them, too 🤷‍♂️

[-] glizzyguzzler@piefed.social 23 points 11 months ago

Haha no that’s boomer sensibility shit. Anti-authoritarianism is always good to see, and it is fine to meld it into every day life. The authoritarian fascists will be in your every day life if you try not to care about them anyway.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 10 points 11 months ago

Yes. We will return to our normal logo soon.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean, speaking as an outside observer, it seems fine and unintrusive to me? And it doesn't give me the impression that piefed is 'all about politics.'

Don't rush.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean... instances aren't universal. Owners can do whatever they want, and it kinda works because there are other places to go, though this isn't particularly dramatic anyway.

[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://piefed.zip/ if you really want to avoid those flags.

I personally think they look cool.

[-] Tuuktuuk@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 11 months ago

Where would you say the slippery slope is leading to?

[-] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social -5 points 11 months ago

It's politics. I'm super surprised Rimu does this. It's super grey area. It's constant war between people all around the world. It's very diffcult to have absolute truths here.

For starters, there islam symbol right in the face. You say its some country flag? How average user would know that? They will think islam immediately. Many people would argue that islam religion and islam countries are kind of authoritarian as well, not like China authoritarian, but different kind of. Women in islamic countries have very limited rights compared to men. What about that? Are we condemning that? Are we condemning commie-like state authoritarism and Israel or also other kind of oppression? If so, why? Why not also show flags of social groups like LGBT who claim that they are also oppressed? There are plenty of social groups around the world who claim they are oppressed by other groups, by country they live in etc. And if rimu wants show love to all of them it will quickly turn into shitshow because many of them are actually also against each other and contradict each other, Like for example LGBT is banned in islam states like Palestine. They might walk next to each other in some protest here and there but thats jsut temporary, as soon as protest ends and they achieve their goals, they are on opposite sides because they don't agree on fundamental level.

[-] Tuuktuuk@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 11 months ago

Ha, so Albania is authoritarian? And Kyrgyzstan? Or East Turkestan, actually?

Kyrgyzstan is known for having a strong democracy by the standards of Ex-USSR countries.
The Christians in Egypt or Lebanon are not really less authoritarian than the Muslims there.

But okay: You are telling that women in Albania and Kyrgyzstan have very limited rights compared to men. I would like you to give some examples of how that shows there, because that was not my impression in either country. I mean, yeah, women have worse rights than men, but is it worse in Albania than in, say, Armenia, which is the oldest Christian country on this planet.

BTW, currently the logo is the rainbow flag. Funny reading your comment complaining about it not being there when it actually is. Now. You are arguing that LGBT being banned in the Russia and Palestine means that Christianity and Islam are religions against LGBT. I would like you to elaborate on that view, please!

[-] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I bet all the people who were happy yesterday cause because they saw symbol of their religion are also very happy today because they see symbol of homosexuals who btw are sentenced to death in some islamic countries because of that very same religion.

Maybe the idea is that people will eventually accept this. Wrong. Only atheist / agnostic could come up with this idea of putting all these flags and symbols there. Well, majority of the world is not atheist /agnostic and it won't change soon. This approach will attract people with similar mindset, so those for whom "it doesnt matter" but will repell those for whom it matters. Christians, Muslims, homosexuals are fundamentally in conflict with each other, whether you like or not. It's because the books they are reading today are the same books they read 1000 years ago. No word is added and will ever be added. It's beacuse humans don't evolve that quickly like some maybe would want. Our genitals looks the same as 10000 years ago. Our cerebellum similarly. It's not like we can make those conflicts disappear as much as we want to. You cannot force world peace by just grouping people with different beliefs together and tell them there is no conflict.

That's why the best strategy is for services and products to stay neutral, if they want for people to be using them. Unless of course you want to sell your services to specific group of likeminded people.

[-] Tuuktuuk@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 10 months ago

Homosexuals are not against Uyghurs. If someone is against homosexuals, then fuck them. Regardless of where they are from.
If someone leaves because of seeing the Uyghur flag, then good riddance.
If someone leaves because of seeing the rainbow flag, then good riddance. If someone leaves because of seeing the Tiber flag, then good riddance.

It doesn't look like the instance suddenly lost any notable part of its active users. After all, there are very few assholes on this instance. And if some left now, all the easier for the moderators.

In any case, staying neutral in the face of human suffering is against what makes us human. If we did that, we wouldn't be full-fledged humans.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 11 months ago

We Muslims have conducted jihad and conquered Piefed in the name of Islam (I have no idea I don't use Piefed).

[-] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social -4 points 11 months ago

Whats a jihad?

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

A Dune reference.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 11 months ago

In this context, it's Islamic holy war.

[-] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago

So it has many meanings?

[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Yes it does in fact

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 11 months ago

So I believe most development work is done on piefed.social. Its like the bleeding edge instance. The thumbnails been changing between a half dozen and dozen different ones lately with maybe different pages having them. I think its just testing. This is all from my butt though based on being on the instance. I have not insider knowledge. I really like being on piefed.social to see the goodies first.

[-] Libb@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They have been displaying random (?) flags for a few days, now. Kinda annoying as I don't care much about flags and politics online and I managed to filter out almost all politics out of my feed... until I noticed those flags. Like I commented here if they really insist on keeping doing that it won't last long before I get tired enough of it and stop using piefed. And no, using uBo to regularly block that logo/flag is not a good enough solution for me ;)

[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 5 points 11 months ago

https://feddit.fr/ is a French Piefed instance you can keep in mind

https://tarte.nuage-libre.fr/ is another one

[-] Libb@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago

Thx, the issue is that I really don't look forward to setup a new instance (losing all my comments, once more time plus no assurance it won't happen over there later on). I feel more and more like even the Fediverse is not something for me... Which I may one day very simply be completely fine with like when I decided to give up on traditional social media.

[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 1 points 11 months ago

I know, it's never an easy process.

Hopefully you will stay around, it's always nice to see one of your comments!

[-] Libb@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thx a lot (much appreciated, coming from you). I hope too to remain around here, you can be assured of that and also that I'm in no hurry to take any action ;)

It's just... no matter how symbolic & insignificant it is (I was tempted to write 'how childish it is', to be honest), I think it's not the smartest type of action they could have made. And that makes me feel sad for all of us as I see so many of those 'dumb' moves taking the lead almost everywhere, in a time where a hint a smartness and of moderation would be needed more than ever. And could help so much.

[-] BandanaBug@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago

I understand th at feeling. But on the other hand the centralised alternatives are even worse

[+] adam.mazurkiewicz.pw@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago

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