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Arch Linux’s pkgstats data provides one of the few large-scale, opt-in snapshots of how real users configure their systems. While not a perfect census (participation is voluntary), the long-running dataset offers a clear picture of how desktop environment and window managers’ preferences have shifted across more than a decade.

At the same time, the data (to some extent) also reflects a broader trend for one key reason: as you know, a default Arch installation gives you only a base system, and you build everything else according to your own needs and tastes. In other words, there’s no predefined desktop environment that users are locked into, unlike most other distributions.

That means these statistics give us a very accurate look at which desktop environments and window managers Arch users actually choose to install and use. But enough talk, let’s move on to the data.

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[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 86 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

the KDE Plasma desktop at 38.36%, nearly doubling the share of GNOME, which sits at 19.84%

Then xfce at ~11% and cinnamon, mate, etc. to round it out.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 42 points 11 months ago

That feels about right. I know that when I go to set up a desktop system anymore, KDE is usually my default go to. It just works and doesn't tell me no for the few customizations that I want to make. XFCE and the others are absolutely vital for lower power systems. But if you want a low-friction daily driver with plenty nice to haves and easily replicable, it's hard to beat KDE.

[-] flameleaf@programming.dev 9 points 11 months ago

Xfce is very replicable. Moving my install to a new system usually involves little more than copying the config files between home directories.

[-] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago
[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

Sort of.

Everything is Wayland compatible but there is no XFWM for Wayland. So, you use a Wayland compositor like LabWC with the rest of XFCE running on top of it. This is the default XFCE config on SUSE Leap for example.

XFCE is not quite as far along on portal support as GNOME or KDE though. Depending on your use case, you may still prefer running on Xorg.

You can run the XFCE apps on any Wayland desktop.

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[-] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 months ago

KDE has too much going on for me. I like Cinnamon for everyday use.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You mean like whiz bang zoom distractions or just a lot of stuff to download if you do a full install whether or not you're going to use all the different KDE apps.

[-] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah. All of the stuff i don't use but sits there.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 7 points 11 months ago

Fair enough. Though if you are comfortable in Linux. I can recommend Garuda's KDE lite iso. Plasma, SSDM, and just enough other bits to get to the desktop. Missing a lot of other bits some would consider necessary. But it's all just a pacman or yay away. No discover or most of the other KDE apps unless you ask for them. Definitely not for the terminal fearing crowd. But a bit less friction than vanilla arch.

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[-] SiblingNoah@piefed.social 38 points 11 months ago

I use KDE Plasma, btw.

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

Arch users: "Well now I'm definitely not using KDE"

[-] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

Did you check the wiki to see which one it says to use??

[-] SirHery@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

KDE because it was recommended with cachy os, and i don't really know enough or care enough to use something else 😅

[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

KDE works and Arch is easy to install.

[-] PokerChips@programming.dev 14 points 11 months ago

I3. No desktop. Just me and the bash.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

Expected it

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

Does this count steamOS instances? Because that would really tip the scales in KDE's favor.

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Niri. I know it's not a DE, but it's currently my fav.

[-] nil@piefed.ca 6 points 11 months ago

yup. I was tempted to give Hyprland a try but noped out for political reasons.

[-] prettybunnys@piefed.social 5 points 11 months ago
[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Most projects have codes of conduct, even if it's something as simple as Wheaton's Law.

The original creator of hyprland behaved in a way that made people leave the project (the "political" part comes from the creator's discrimination). It was basically a good example for why projects should have codes of conduct.

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[-] SweetCriticalPumpkin@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

from my limited time using it I found niri to be actually so good. will switch over from hyprland eventually i think.

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago

Do you happen to know how it is with a multi-monitor setup?

I finished setting up Hyprland 2years ago, then learned about the shit community literally the day after being "ah, finally done!" and haven't found the energy to switch since.

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I use Niri on triple screens with different sizes and refresh rates, it's all seamless. Plus per-monitor scroll up/down left/right. I have an Nvidia GPU, they seem to have worked out all the problems with Wayland support.

[-] SweetCriticalPumpkin@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not really fussed about the community as long as the tool is good, which Hyprland is there's no question about that.

Like I said I have very limited usage using niri after seeing a bunch of youtube videos praising it I decided to give it a try but I haven't had time to fully configure it and move over just yet. On my dual monitor setup it worked fine. Really loved how you can expose all open windows with a simple multi finger swipe and how each monitor has its own space.

[-] EnEnCode@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

I was the opposite. I stopped using hyprland because I found it utterly broken (Ctrl-X rant here). Didn't find out about the community until after I left. User of i3, sway, and niri. Thanks to Lemmy for first mentioning niri to me. :)

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

I am also loving Niri

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 7 points 11 months ago

They should do this for Mint. I want to know how many of us weirdos using KDE on Mint there are.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Never tried Cinnamon(?) but to be honest, if I was forcred to use Mint, I probably would install KDE Plasma on the device.

Mint is said to be the perfect beginner friendly distribution. I am not sure, why. Robust and easy to understand package/update manager? If some of my f&f would ask to install them Mint, it absolutely would come with Plasma!

[-] Lojcs@piefed.social 3 points 11 months ago

Robust and easy to understand package/update manager?

Honestly if it still has 2 gui package managers like when I last tried it that's not true neither.

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[-] ApertureUA@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago

I did that before just getting Arch.

Also, I wonder if KDE on Ubuntu stuff still includes that FUCKASS FONTCONFIG FILE THAT MAKES EVERYTHING LOOK SHIT I SPENT 4 HOURS LOOKING FOR

[-] Horsey@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I’d use Gnome if it had tray application icon support. I just cannot do without my tray icons for Dropbox.

[-] BB_C@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The premise of the question is wrong, since it assumes a general preference.

If you're asking 👉 this 👈 Arch user, the answer is "NONE".

EDIT: The majority of users, especially experienced ones, don't enable pkgstats. So such stats always end up in some form of self-selection (biased towards users who would use a DE in this case).

[-] imecth@fedia.io 5 points 11 months ago

The majority of users, especially experienced ones don't enable pkgstats.

Why would an experienced user not enable pkgstats? Anyways the biggest bias here is that arch inherently caters to power users which are going to have very different needs and likes than regular people.

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[-] krimson@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If you want to try something fresh, give mangowc a try. It is a tiling wm but also has built-in support for scrolling layouts like Niri (even vertical).

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 11 months ago

Waiting for a tiling window manager with nice animations

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[-] kamstrup@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago
[-] iamlyth@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

I really love gnome but my friends keep pushing me for KDE and I really just don’t like the windows style of desktop.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

You should use what you like.

COSMIC may offer a middle ground if you did want to try something else though.

And KDE is very configurable. It does not have to look like Windows.

[-] roran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Sway. Though I graduated from Arch to NixOS, sway remains as one of the core tenets of my personhood.

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[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Weirdly, my Arch System has a bog-standard absolutely uncustomized kde plasma install.

Its the Debian system which has been customized to hell and back with i3 and lxqt. I'd like to switch to sway but my gpu does NOT like wayland.

[-] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 2 points 11 months ago

KDE, beautiful and flexible

[-] coriza@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Openbox for me. Going strong since my early days on Ubuntu when one release Unity had a memory leak that wast just too much for my 2GB of RAM. I had already being flirting with Openbox and that was the cue to finally use it for good. When I migrated to archlnux it was a no brainier.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

If you ever want to try Wayland, check out LabWC.

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[-] the16bitgamer@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

I like gnomes features but not gnome itself. Cinnamon is good, but has its faults. Plasma is better but is missing online features (calendar for example can’t be used to create events or sync with your cloud accounts). Really would like to see how Comic a desktop turns out when it’s ready.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You are in luck. COSMIC launches in 3 days.

I am also interested to see what kind of adoption COSMIC gets. From the comments I have seen, I looks like it may pull-away a fair number of GNOME users.

Nor sure that COSMIC calendar will have all the features you want. COSMIC is a pretty good base for GNOME apps though. It does not have to be either / or.

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