262
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Prunebutt@slrpnk.net to c/antiwork@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://piefed.blahaj.zone/c/onehundredninetysix/p/449273/food-is-literally-rule

Food is literally rule

Edit: Could you please chill it with the taking everything so bloody seriously? It's low-hanging fruit leftist agitprop from c/196. It doesn't aim to be coherent with the very letter of Marx or whatever leftist group/cult-leader you prefer.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top new old
[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 49 points 9 months ago

because you are alienated from the fruits of your labor.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sometimes I think Marx was just the first "conspiracy theory loving podcast bro" but he didn't have any of the material to distract him. He also was very privileged and did not have to spend his entire life delivering Taco Bell for Uber Eats. But for some reason he still had that same fundamental need to find an explanation for what we all feel so strongly today. It's punching us in the face.

Like, Marx gets a lot of credit because he and Engels wrote the best criticisms that have stood the test of time. But, if you lived in that time, most writings were about class conflict in some form. Hell, the "father of capitalism" (Adam Smith) was even extremely critical of obvious contradictions and was very critical of landlords.

As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce.

The last century has been mostly about trying to scare the working class into submission. Pointing to "failures" of socialism as if they existed in a bubble; and not the reality of every necessary resource of the capitalist class going to fighting it.

This is primarily done in developing nations. The US ensures it installs dictators or makes the conditions of the countries impossible through embargos (Cuba/DPRK). But in the US it's mostly controlled by distractions. The conspiracy theories, toys, drugs, etc.

But the imperial core control is failing. And, my hope, is even if we don't see progress in the west. That the internal chaos we experience will finally allow the nations the west oppresses to break free.

The alienation we feel needs to be understood in this context. We hate our jobs because they serve no other purpose but to allow us to afford the available distractions we are allowed. Distractions that are becoming less and less meaningful as our material conditions decline and we become more connected to all workers of the world.

[-] bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Because money robs the intrinsic joys of life.

Lots of research proves it. Here's just one example https://www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/intrinsic-joy-sparks-ideas-better-than-cash

Also, money is literally power and no one handles power well. It corrupts and the more money the more it ruins people. It really is the root of all that's bad.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 9 months ago

Power doesn't corrupt, capitalism systemically selects for those most willing to act in corrupt means in order to profit more. You have it flipped.

[-] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Definitely an interesting take, and one that I might kinda believe!

I do think that concentrated power is still part of the problem, that problem is just exacerbated by the psycho-selection-filter of capitalism.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Democratization can only really happen within the framework of socialism, where collectivized production and distribution is being worked towards. This necessitates distributed responsibilities, but also doesn't conflict with having administration, nor an inherent "corruption of power" at the top. Capitalism selects for it, socialism does not.

[-] Jentu@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'd extend the thought a bit farther. Poorly designed roadways create bad drivers. Growing up in a household with violence increases the likelihood of that child perpetuating violence when they get older. Selectively bred animals aren't the way they are because of their ideas or some innate feature, they're the way they are because the system in which they exist creates them that way. The environment or system (large or small) has a major impact on the path individuals take.

If concentrated power and corruption is rarely punished and always rewarded, it is a symptom of the system at-large.

If creating cheap products which pollutes the environment makes a company 2 Billion, gets that company fined only 250 Million, essentially it makes it such that continuing polluting is just the cost of doing business. The system is creating the pollution. This specific system also has the side effect of limiting the competitiveness since a small business owner won't initially make 2 Billion and cannot eat the cost of a 250 Million fine. All it does is consolidate power and control towards massive corporations that are supported by the government (since the government removes competition through fines, tariffs, or violence).

load more comments (12 replies)
[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 8 points 9 months ago

Also, money is literally power and no one handles power well. It corrupts and the more money the more it ruins people. It really is the root of all that's bad.

Anarchist spotted. ❤️🖤

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

that is toil versus work.

work is what you want to do; toil is what you do for someone else

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 months ago
[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

In the first sentence, right?

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] starik@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 months ago

I guess we could go back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle tomorrow. There would certainly be a lot of complaining, not the least of which would be about the food options. Long pig would be on the table for the first year or so

load more comments (30 replies)
[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

If only someone had a theory that explains that alienation 🤔

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

May I introduce you to the works of Kras Mazov?

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

I'm a level 3 infra-materialist. I power the entire neighborhood just by thinking about mutual aid.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago
[-] dumbass@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago

Joy is the theft of productivity - Corrupt Corporate Cunts

[-] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I remember reading in a game design book how they had a real hard time saying why "play" was different from "work," since you're often performing the same behaviours and chasing similar short term goals.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

Sustainable population of hunter-gatherers for this planet is just a few millions.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 9 months ago

No one is asking for complete transition to hunting and gathering.

[-] mech@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago
[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 9 months ago

Ok. This person is.

load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

“Drive,” by Daniel Pink does a pretty good job of explaining it. He also has an excellent TED talk on it.

https://youtu.be/rrkrvAUbU9Y

[-] Zexks@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Op has never worked a day on a farm in their life. Id bet probably hasnt even seen one in real life before.

[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We had a small farm growing up. Ten acres farm/field, 5 acres woods. One acre garden, all the animals.

Was it hard? Yes, I spent my summers in the field as a kid/teen instead of out at the mall with my friends. My work ethic is impeccable, so long as I agree the job I'm doing is helpful, moral and ethical.

That's what the post is talking about, the value of your own labor for your own benefit.

The head of the household, ran that farm. He worked 38 hours in three days at an employee owned factory, with weekend differential and paid for 40 hours. The other five days, he worked the farm with his three children as helpers. It was a lot of work, even in winter, a lot of work. But the payoff was worth it, the feeling you get producing your own food is fantastic.

No I don't want to go punch in for minimum wage serving coffee or work at a non employee owned factory where there give you a $1 more than minimum wage and pluck your ass at an injection molding machine. But I would, and do, work hard turning my small plot into a food garden every fucking summer, to try and remember my roots, because the effort is valuable to me, as it's my own, and the pay off my own to share with whom I want.

Do you have a big like, Ag farm? We had a small family farm, big Ag is much different for sure, but the work to payoff is different when you're in business for yourself vs a company.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 08 Dec 2025
262 points (92.0% liked)

Antiwork

9954 readers
19 users here now

  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

Partnerships:

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS