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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 70 points 2 years ago

Imagine thinking you can have private property without a central government to enforce it

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago

You don’t need a government, you just need violence

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

And what is a government but legitimized violence?

Pooling ressources for community services and works.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I agree with you there. My point is that a government is not needed to have private property. Governments are inherently violent, but you can be violent without a government.

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Where is the line drawn between a government and a legitimized systemic form of violence?

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

There is no line, legitimate violence is just one of the services a government is expected to perform

[-] StrayCatFrump@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

It's only "expected" to perform other services because its violence prevents us from doing those things apart from it.

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[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Government is top down.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

What do you do when your neighbor is more violent than you?

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago
[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I used to think I was tough and crazy, until I met some tough and crazy motherfuckers.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Defend myself? I’m not sure I get your point.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

And that's a world you want to live in? Where you have to defend yourself from violent people? The point was not what if your neighbor is more violent, I just said that because it worked well as a response, and most people would understand. What about when your neighbor is more capable of inflicting violence? More skilled with firefights, or physically stronger? The powerful end up with all the stuff.

[-] ssboomman@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

How is that any different with capitalism now? The state just legitimizes that, it doesn’t stop anything. Private property and the state need to go.

[-] choroalp@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Same shit different names

[-] Granixo@feddit.cl 6 points 2 years ago

It's called livin' in da toolshed ⚒️

[-] Norgur@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Only attractive to those not-so-sharp inhabitants of said shed

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Yeahhh it'll be great. It's basically anarchism except all the power systematically flows to one person

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

"It's anarchism... that I run!"

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

A bourgeoise of the proletariat, wait

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the only comment that wasn't annoying. I miss that era of the internet. Feeling doomed used to be edgy.

[-] match@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago

it's Dr Horrible's turn!

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Oh you mean real world in practice of anarchy like in Somalia.

Anarchy is very pretty on books, in reality this is the best outcome possible after a few years escalate and after a few centuries we are back to empires fighting against each other

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

You're only saying that because every time an anarchist group gains a foothold, it is forced to exist at the pleasure of more powerful states who view it in terms of profit.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

If the crux of your argument is “Everytime anarchism happens it is too weak to protext itself from foreign influence.” Then you have a weak governmental system.

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[-] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

So except for all the inherent problems of existing in non-ideal conditions and outside of isolation

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

I think that's part of their point.

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

do you know where your food comes from, are you aware the world resources are not infinite.

Or do I need to explain why everyone can't own their own house on the beach because there's is only so much costline(not to mention the environmental coats)

Explain how early human society didn't start with anarchy exactly?...how exactly do you expect an anarchist group to survive if you and the other guys from other group both need food but there is barely enough to feed one group.

Do that and replace food by whatever you want

[-] Mozingo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Salary? Money? Without a government?

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Gotta promise them something until you get your military up and running.

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

During the years of Spanish provinces in America, some small banks would own the entire land and pay the locals using their own currency only print by them, 1 coin equals 1 day of labor which was nearly enough for 2 meals, then the Spanish kingdom would forgive the landowners taxes if the locals were forced into Christian religion.

[-] trimmerfrost@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

It can only be communistic

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