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[-] loxdogs@lemmy.wtf 2 points 7 months ago

I think NATO is not even trying to win.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Material reality is stacked against NATO here. Turns out that spending decades offshoring key industries had some consequences. No amount of triumph of the will can change that.

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago

alright, what do you think is the objective of nato and what do you think is the objective of the supermegapower? we need to clarify that first in order to have a conversation

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

since you've obviously been living under a rock all this time, I'll just refer you to this article in The Hill, so you can get up to speed on the whole situation https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

[-] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago

You're really a condescending prick you know that? You talk to people in person like this?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Lol, because the person they were talking to was being so humble and good faith. Shove off.

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Respectfully, your own comment came across condescending, if you weren't trolling you might wanna be more thoughtful in the future so we understand you're being earnest

Edit: that was a different person lol. Nonetheless, that person was condescending, so they were condescending back. That's the explanation.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't make a habit of interacting with trolls like you lot in person.

[-] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 7 months ago

Pretty sure being a condescending prick is a requirement for tankies. I’ve yet to be proven wrong

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Being really mad about being called out on being ignorant is a requirement for dronies. Ive yet to be proven wrong.

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago

But that does not answer my question, I could have lived also under a rock, but my post was a question, didn’t define anything or made any assumption, just asked what do you think is the objective of the russian supermegapower and what do you think is the objective of nato

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

It does if you have even a bare minimum of reading comprehension. The objective of NATO was to try and break up Russia as outlined in detail in this RAND paper. The goal was to cut off Russia economically from trade and collapse its economy. That obviously didn't happen, and now NATO finds itself in a proxy war that it lost. The goal of Russia is pretty obvious as well. It's to remove NATO threat on its border and ideally to break up NATO. This is the goal Russia is currently accomplishing.

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip -2 points 7 months ago

It broke up nato by making countries who didn’t join for 50 years join it , see Sweden and Finland , wait, where is Finland geographically?

Probably not on the border with the super mega power:D

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

NATO has always been a US project. Without the US there is no NATO, Europe can't even produce basic stuff like explosives at this point. And if you don't understand that the US turning on Europe is the direct outcome of the war, what else is there to say really.

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago

The Us is turning on Europe because russia is not worth keeping an alliance anymore

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

that's some impressive galaxy brain logic right there

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 months ago

Unless you think that russia is more of a danger now than it was during cold war

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Russia has never been an actual danger to the west, but it has been a great bogey man to keep Europeans under the US control. Europe was relevant to the US during Cold War because USSR posed an ideological threat to the dictatorship of capital. Now that Russia is capitalist, Europe has lost its value and it's going to be cannibalized so that the US can focus on their new adversary in the Asia. Hence why NATO is now done.

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

The russian supermegapower has been stuck at the closest region of its border for 4 years

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

when you definitely understand how wars of attrition work

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago

Hopefully like the one in Afghanistan that made the soviet union collapse shortly after, so we can forget about russia for another 40 years

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Last I checked, it's Europe and not Russia that's imploding economically right now.

[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah there is a limitless number of Europeans emigrating to russia for jobs :D

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago
[-] cisco87@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago

And many westerners are following them to have a share of wealth of the supermegapower there was never a more developed and innovative country as the supermegapower

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

I see them goal posts are moving. What is a fact however is that Russia is now world's 4th largest economy by PPP, and world bank classifies Russia as a high income country https://www.worldbank.org/en/about/leadership/directors/eds23/brief/russia-was-classified-as-high-income-country

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