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No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don’t question the statehood of Israel.

Europe@feddit.org removed my comment for de-tangling the conflation of antisemitism and anti-zionism. A dangerous conflation that is genuinely antisemitic and fuels antisemitic hate as it conflates the actions of Israel and Zionism to all Jewish people and Judaism.

This prioritization of the German definition, the adopted IHRA definition, is promoting antisemtitism and is diametrically opposed to the 'No antisemitism' aspect of the rule. The definition has been condemned by the writer of the definition, a multitude of human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), B’Tselem, Peace Now, and Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), and over 120 leading scholars of anti-semitism.

Germany Is Trying to Combat Antisemitism. Experts Warn a New Resolution May Do the Opposite

Fifteen Israeli nongovernmental organizations, including the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, B'Tselem and Peace Now, issued an open letter in September stating their concern that the resolution, especially the IHRA definition, could be weaponized to "silence public dissent."

This could also affect Jewish voices speaking out for Palestinian rights and opposing the occupation, they added. "Paradoxically, the resolution may therefore undermine, not protect, the diversity of Jewish life in Germany," the letter argued.

Rights groups urge UN not to adopt IHRA anti-Semitism definition

"The IHRA definition has often been used to wrongly label criticism of Israel as antisemitic, and thus chill and sometimes suppress, non-violent protest, activism and speech critical of Israel and/or Zionism, including in the US and Europe,” the letter said.

US-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Israeli rights group B’Tselem, and the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) were among the signatories

The letter is the latest attempt by human rights advocates to urge the UN not to adopt the IHRA definition. In November, more than 120 scholars called on the world body to reject the definition, due to its “divisive and polarising” effect.

128 scholars ask UN not to adopt IHRA definition of anti-Semitism

In a statement published on Thursday, the 128 scholars, who include leading Jewish academics at Israeli, European, United Kingdom and United States universities, said the definition has been “hijacked” to protect the Israeli government from international criticism

Why the man who drafted the IHRA definition condemns its use

The drafter of what later became popularly known as the EUMC or IHRA definition of antisemitism,including its associated examples, was the U.S. attorney Kenneth S. Stern. However, in written evidence submitted to the US Congress last year, Stern charged that his original definition had been used for an entirely different purpose to that for which it had been designed. According to Stern it had originally been designed as a ”working definition” for the purpose of trying to standardise data collection about the incidence of antisemitic hate crime in different countries. It had never been intended that it be used as legal or regulatory device to curb academic or political free speech. Yet that is how it has now come to be used. In the same document Stern specifically condemns as inappropriate the use of the definition for such purposes, mentioning in particular the curbing of free speech in UK universities, and referencing Manchester and Bristol universities as examples. Here is what he writes:

The EUMC “working definition” was recently adopted in the United Kingdom, and applied to campus. An “Israel Apartheid Week” event was cancelled as violating the definition. A Holocaust survivor was required to change the title of a campus talk, and the university [Manchester] mandated it be recorded, after an Israeli diplomat [ambassador Regev] complained that the title violated the definition.[See here]. Perhaps most egregious, an off-campus group citing the definition called on a university to conduct an inquiry of a professor (who received her PhD from Columbia) for antisemitism, based on an article she had written years before. The university [Bristol] then conducted the inquiry. And while it ultimately found no basis to discipline the professor, the exercise itself was chilling and McCarthy-like. [square brackets added – GW]

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am on feddit.org. I run a ~~subreddit~~ community dedicated to the Middle East /c/nahost@feddit.org and post mostly the Palestinian perspective. I argue for the rights of Palestinians, against Zionism, against the German instrumentalization of the fight against Antisemitism for repression and the like all the time both in /c/europe@feddit.org and other communities.

I never had any problems with the mods or admins and the claim they would be pro-Zionist is absurd.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's why I said the problem is the Mods of !europe@feddit.org, or rather an anonymous mod there who is acting out of their own biases for Zionism or against Zionist criticism. It's not some attempt to stay legal in the eyes of the instance admins there or "gERmAn lAw" it's personal and unprofessional mod conduct in the community.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I suspect the last sentence violates German law. Equating Israel with Nazi Germany is illegal under German law as it is considered to downplay the Holocaust because the latter has killed several magnitudes more people than Israel. From a quick search, this has been confirmed at least once by a higher regional court where a cartoonist was fined one monthly income.

Advocating for a secular one-state solution has thus far never been considered illegal by any court. The IHRA definition is not German law and will likely never be.

Since the instance is hosted in Germany, comments must abide by German law even if you disagree with said law. The instance admins are personally liable if they do not remove potentially illegal comments so I don't see why there is an issue.

You can create another Europe community on an instance which isn't hosted in Germany where such comments are legal.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Equating Israel with Nazi Germany is illegal under German law as it is considered to downplay the Holocaust

Debatable. The comment doesn't claim that the Shoa and Gaza are comparable. Just that sanctions are justified, just like in .

Also: apparently, it's hosted in Austria.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right, though I don't know whether a court will see it the same. It could maybe be argued there is an implicit connection in the comment.

Also, Austria has similar enough laws. In mid 2024 someone was sentenced to 7 months on probation for equating zionists with nazis:

https://salzburg.orf.at/stories/3267915/

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In that case Austria and Germany would also find Albert Einstein, Hannah Ardent, and many more to be antisemitic for their letter to the NYT

https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

Maybe? Never did I argue about the morality of these laws. They exist and must be abided to avoid negative consequences.

Ensuring the existence of the instance has higher priority than free speech about Israel. As such I don't see any issue on the admin's side for removing potentially illegal comments.

Discussion about Israel's genocide is still possible under German law. Just don't mention nazis or the Holocaust and you are probably fine.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is not debatable. Equating Israelis to Nazis and equating genocide in Gaza to the holocaust are definitely illegal in Germany and Austria. You can criticize Israel all you want and be against the settler policies, just don't call them nazis.

In most court cases it also depends on context too.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's debatable whether or not that comment actually is equating the genocide in Gaza to the Shoa.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

The mods aren't lawyers tho, so I can understand erring on the side of caution

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The law is an ass if you can't even make a comment to clarify the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Why even host it in a country that has such restrictions?

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can make this statement, only the last sentence in the comment in question is at the very best in a legal gray area.

It is perfectly legal to be opposed to zionism, even in Germany. You may need to adjust your wording, since anti-zionism can and has been considered antisemitic if antisemetic rhetoric is repeated. The statement "All zionists are pigs" would be illegal for example since the Judensau is an antisemitic symbol.

And the servers are hosted where the administrators live (note: they are hosted in Austria, their laws are nearly identical to Germany though). It wouldn't make much of a difference - German (& Austrian) admins can be prosecuted for any content accessible in Germany (or Austria), regardless of where the content hosted. Besides, it would only take a single court order to identify the admins, see Impressumspflicht.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Impressumspflicht is usually for commercial websites though. If feddit.org doesn't sell anything or doesn't demand money, then the imprint isn't necessary.

According to §18 Medienstaatsvertrag only private websites are exempt from Impressumspflicht. A full name and address are required.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Rules are important! I'm a good boy, I follow the rules." -German soldier in the 1940s

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

  • Martin Luther King Jr. in Birmingham Jail 1963
[–] arifinhiding@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Supposing that the mod is using the "german definition", there is still the issue of hosting an incredibly popular instance. In online places where a huge influx of non-german users live, I'd argue that it should be treated like a public place where free speech is granted. How am i supposed to understand the cultural realities of Germany if I live thousands of miles away from it? Am I supposed to tone down my right to free speech just because they've treated their subjective experience as a universal law?

But I like that on Lemmy, I'm seeing diverse discussion on German/Austrian law. I don't get to see that on other prominent platforms, which tend to favor wikipedia-type discourse that often ends with american pop history/culture inferences.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

The instance has rules and the server is German. Usually when you visit another country, you do your research about the dos and dont so that you don't look like an ass.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

YDI. Feddit.org is based in Germany and has to adhere to German laws. Some of the stuff you say can land you a fine or in repeat cases even a short jail sentence in Germany.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Accepting the IHRA definition is not law, it's policy. Die Linke rejects it in favor of the Jerusalem declaration, for instance. Likewise, advocating for a secular one state solution or a two state solution are both perfectly legal. Calling for an end of material support, also legal. The only part that could, by a wide stretch of the imagination, be against German law is listing Nazi Germany in the list of comparisons. But since this is not saying "Israel is exactly like Nazi Germany", even that would be on very shaky grounds.

Stop pretending this is about German law. This is about political opinions, and these opinions are Zionism

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They got charged for showing swastikas outside of what the court deemed educational context. Not relevant, read your own article:

Das Gericht verweist auf das Hakenkreuz, das in der Karikatur verwendet wird. Das Hakenkreuz ist grundsätzlich ein verbotenes Symbol nach Paragraf 86a des Strafgesetzbuchs. Es ist nur legal, dieses Symbol zu zeigen, wenn man damit einen legitimen politischen Zweck verfolgt - zum Beispiel historische Aufklärung, oder etwa Warnung vor Neonazis.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

You should read further. That wasn't the only reason. Another reason was "Verharmlosung des Shoah"

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

This is about German law though, whether you like it or not.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone who is against Israeli statehood, reply to this comment so I can block you. (I am no fan of Netanyahu and am against the war, but it seems most of you dont give a shit about it.)

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Later. I will give it a couple hours for people who arent OP to reply and then you can have a position on the list.

But yes, I am aware or Betselem and I don't deny the human rights violations of Israel. It just means that it needs a different government and needs to be held accountable for violations. But that doesn't mean there should be no Israeli statehood. It just means Palestine needs to be also recognized as a state.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The main issue here is that Israel is an Apartheid Settler Colonialist State. The German law prevents even mentioning the reality of Israel as an Apartheid or as a Settler Colonialist Entity, both of which are critical to the understanding of the current situation and the resolution.

Controversially, the German government officially classifies the following as antisemitic: the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement, the accusation that Israel is committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, and the depiction of Israel as a colonial or settler-colonial entity. Many of those arrested and cancelled in Germany over allegations of antisemitism have been Jews critical of Israel's policies.[4]

Due to the Settler Colonialism that have atomized the West Bank into hundreds of isolated Bantustans, it's already a one-state reality. I'll quote Avi Schlaim and Ilan Pappe below as they explain the situation quite comprehensivly.

An Apartheid State has no right to exist. This was the same for Apartheid South Africa. The state was abolished and replaced with one that has equal rights. It did not mean the expulsion of all Afrikaners, it meant the creation of a new state with the integration of equal rights and reparations for the oppressed. It's the same situation with the current state of Israel, and the way forward also requires the right of return for all Palestinians.

Settlements and the One-State Reality

The reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate, before the mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres of 1948, and Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward; while the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

"Its support – and this includes what is even called the ‘peace camp’ in Israel – for a two-state solution is an idea that says that you do not have to directly control every part of historical Palestine in order to establish your dominance and hegemony between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. So, if you can squeeze the Palestinians into small Bantustans and allow them to have a flag and a semblance of a government, there are quite a few Israelis who do not mind at all, so long as this will be the last and final kind of settlement for the Palestine question. Which means no real political rights for the Palestinians, no right of return for the refugees, and keeping all Palestinians in different parts of historical Palestine, at best as second-rate citizens, at worst, as subjects in an apartheid state.

State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.

The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

oh please block me

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They removed a comment of mine today because it denied the statehood of Israel. What a joke.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well it is one of the rules to not deny Israeli statehood. You shouldn't post somewhere if you aren't going to follow the rules.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rule itself is a joke. Idgaf, I posted anyway. Fuck Israel.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I oppose genocide. Unless it's a group I dislike."

[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com Found another genocide denying troll spewing Zionist whataboutism

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not denying that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. I think that suggesting that the answer to genocide should be more genocide is absolutely vile.

[–] TRAHR@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

"I was just following ~~orders~~ rules"

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I looked it up. IMHO, I don't really think you did in the text.

What a punch of genocide apologizing, spineless dorks. 🙄

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those losers don't even have it in them to comment here, they're just silently downvoting comments in the thread.

FYI we can see you, your votes are publicly viewable through activitypub.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A mod messaged me, since it was a PM, I won’t share it here. But suffice to say we do not agree. Apparently some of the mods do actually browse this community.

Wdym about the votes? I don’t care who sees that stuff.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wdym about the votes? I don’t care who sees that stuff.

I was referring to the two spineless trolls from feddit.org going through the thread and downvoting all PTB comments. Not you. Also not the mods there, they haven't been commenting or voting here. It's nice to see though that they do browse here.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s wild that, as Israel’s genocide becomes more publicly exposed and people/countries are distancing from Israel, Germany is doubling down on their relationship with Israel.

Clearly, de-nazification did not work as intended post WW2.

[–] TRAHR@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Old habits die hard for the Germans it seems. The EU deserves so much better from Germany here.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They learned the wrong lessons. They thought the issue was targeting Jews, and not the genocide part. So now they’ve moved to taking Arab lives, which they believe to be less valuable.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We have the most generous asylum and immigration laws, even just slightly restricting them is a deeply divisive topic in German politics. But sure we hate Arabs in general.

Calling an entire countries population racist is just a dumb statement that shows how little you know

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

nah, the entire country isn't racist.

just the people in charge, you bootlicker.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For all the people saying it's the instance trying to cover themselves, No. This is a mod account which is not an admin nor appears to be affiliated with the Admins. This is very clearly a person trying to frame criticism of Zionism as antisemitic to attempt to suppress criticism of Israel and their actions. PTB.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago

I disagree. I see political comments from two of the mods all the time and they don't take pro Zionist stances. One of the mods regularly bans people from slrpnk.net for being Zionists.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"which does not an admin"

Words hard, apparently.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

The fact that some people are attacking typos and grammar instead of trying to argue with me on my merit means I'm on the right track.

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