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Deploying high tech AI model so that we can use low tech meme networks
The day AI can create memes from scratch is the day the internet dies.
Surely the current ones can do that already.
I'm yet to see any clear gain; but I've seen clear loses.
Same as every other technological innovation though. Productivity goes up. Revenue goes up. Pay goes.. No wait, I must have got something wrong here.
Salary and working hours have little to do with productivity though. It's all about the workers' negotiation power. We have many technology breakthroughs in computers that have nothing to do with AI and see where we are now.
I'm not arguing that they haven't little do to with productivity, I'm arguing that they shouldn't have little to do with productivity
Whether or not they should doesn't matter. So long as the only real metric for success is growth of profit, these things will not happen
There has never been a single time in the history of capitalism where improved productivity has reduced hours or increased pay for the working class.
me. i slack off 6-7 hours a day and use copilot to do the tasks in the remaining 1-2 hours. (at least i think that's the ai and not my untreated adhd...)
in a few years, some genius will do a four day workweek experiment, people like me will forget to only work 4-8 hours instead of 5-10 per week because the amount of tasks is the same, they will conclude that there's no reduction in productivity, a benefit of four day workweek will work as an incentive instead of a raise to keep people around a bit longer, and it will start becoming a standard. and voila, we got the working hours reduction officially.
i've already heard buzz that negotiating a four-day work week doesn't tend to involve a 20% salary cut (probably because people are already slacking off a lot). i'll have to research that more though, because at some point i'd do it even if it did result in a 20% cut, and time is so much more valuable tbh.
Experiments have already been done (Microsoft Japan is one example), they all resulted in productivity and worker happiness gains AFAIK.
Wait, doing your workday in 1-2hr is ADHD?
Not ADHD, AGILE. The 1-2 hours between ceremonies is all you have left.
@Windex007 another planning meeting Is this the one where we plan our planning meetings?
No it's our retrospective meeting to evaluate our learnings from our meeting where we planned our planning meeting.
ceremonies? what kind of cult do you work at?
but yeah, i have like two standups a week, we're not that organized
Oh my sweet sweet child...
In general thats an exaggeration but depending on the job, tasks and especially how much your coworkers understand your task.
I am adhd+autism and there are days where I completel 80% in the first hour before everyone else arrives and its nice and quite and i am still caffeinated. Then i struggle the remainer of the day to finnish
God I need a job like yours. Lucky bastard.
Has that ever historically been the case? It's usually been that a technological development results in loss of jobs, as businesses simply reduce their wage expenditure, whilst expecting the same amount, or more work.
Like how computerisation has massively increased productivity, but wages and working hours haven't changed to match.
Who has actually gained productivity from using Copilot? Maybe it's just me, but it slowed me down.
which language do you work with? also, what kind of code do you write?
i do web apps in typescript, fullstack, and so many things are just layers upon layers on the same thing. you make a model, then you make a migration for that model, then a controller for a dead simple crud with just enough custom validation and shit that it's hard to autogenerate, then swagger docs, then factories and unit tests. most of the time, i just write the model, paste it to the top of the file in a comment, then start writing the thing and the ai immediately wants to take it and do it by itself, so i just let it. there are usually a few mistakes, exactly in those hard to autogenerate places, so i fix a few and then the ai can help fix the rest with little intervention. (i do need to delete the mistake and palce the cursor, but it tends to know how to fix it). it's been a huge time-saver for me.
but i noticed that it's also damn good at just generic typescript/javascript. i have it enabled pretty much all the time now and i have yet to find a task where it doesn't speed me up, even with the weird shit i do for fun.
however, i heard similar complaints quite a few times working with other languages. the amount of open source code that's out there for your specific language seems to have a large effect on copilot's effectiveness
I tried it with php which also has a huge amount of code online. The constant checking of the generated code and fixing it was what slowed me down.
yeah, makes sense. when i'm not doing a test-driven workflow, i usually only allow copilot to generate simple things. with unit tests it's a lot easier because the tests are easy to read and verify, and they expose the errors in other parts of the code
Anyone who thinks chatbots are going to make life better for worker shlubs hasn't been paying attention for the last 200 years
Since when is Github copilot useful?
I really think we'll start seeing actual improvements as open source alternatives replicate corporate functionality. Existing options are a mess (particularly in a professional setting) for folks to try to implement as they have unstable business models and dubious ideas about intellectual property. See OpenAssistant for an example of where I think these models are headed.
Getting some gains out of it, but I'm still limited by the fact that I can't put anything proprietary into any AI tooling. Not motivated enough yet to roll my own.
For generic Q&A/searching, templating, etc, it's been a decent stackoverflow replacement.
It will! For people who already don't do work because they implemented the AI strategy for developers. Clearly, if productivity rises the managers did good!
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