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Please keep the discussion polite, and don't get too much carried away into trying to convince others of your own ideas. Exchange is less than that. And sometimes, less is more. Thanks in advance.
less is more.
alias less=more
"How can less be more? More is more."
- Yngwie Malmsteen
01/01/1970 about to be a real popular birthdate.
Imagine being that poor motherfucker born 1 jan 1970. No one will ever believe you, and you cannot get your json file.
Can I make myself old enough to slow down my operating system?
Not sure it will, as it would have to be able to handle users older than that, so wouldn't have a reason for the default age to be that. Also depends on the UI (like my steam bday is something like jan 1 1900 because that's the default age already entered).
I was thinking it's less about using a "zero date" and more about the Linux/Unix community protesting the change by coding a well-known date.
My contrarianism is vindicated!
OpenRC is severely underrated in my opinion.
Pottering is in there saying he doesn't care enough about this, practicing whataboutism, and asking Claude to review the code for him. gg Pottering.
Blaming software for COMPLIANCE with the law is STUPID, people. I expected some of you would be more intelligent.
Coding has been ruled as free speech. Forcing this into code is no different imho than being forced to say Trump is the greatest and I love him!! anytime you wanted to speak.
I'd be fascinated to see how the US would be if it were completely legal to do basically anything as long as it was triggered through code.
You cam write code that does almost anything, execution is a different thing.
Sorry but that's a stupid comment. What are you, 5 years old not to know how many countries pushed one "law without any real consequence" after another, until people suddenly wondered "how did we get in this hell"? And how many battles the people behind "software" have battled against unjust situations?
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New wave of OpenBSD users incoming. Good.
It’s not like OpenBSD is exempt from the law. If they aren’t implementing some version of it, they are just hoping no one enforces anything.
Unlike Linux, OpenBSD is not under US jurisdiction.
Linux is not an operating system, it's just the kernel and has no concept of users/accounts or logging in to anything.
A great many Linux-based distros ("operating systems") are not under US jurisdiction.
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It’s still an operating system. Not implementing something is saying “this OS is not to be used in a country / state with age verification laws” Basically baring anyone in california or wherever implements these laws from using the OS in a legal way. I suspect most of these OS’s (even ones that are not “under US jurisdiction”) are going to eventually do something like when you install it asks where you are located and if its in a location where age verification is required it installs the age verification system.
Linus is european.
Linus is a U.S. citizen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
And finland citizen, dual. So not under us jurisdiction when not in us.
Then why, you think, did he have to remove U.S.-sanctioned maintainers?
In https://lwn.net/Article/995186 they say because linux foundation is based in US. Why the fuck they do that? You right linux under us jurisdiction.
Told you so.
Non GPL software isn't an answer to freedom restrictions
The GPL restricts more freedom than the BSD licenses do.
For whom? It restricts the "freedom" of corporate and capitalistic leeches who don't contribute back to the commons
It forces everyone who wants to contribute anything to use the GPL as well.
The freedom to just take my free code, fork it into a closed product and become rich with it is important to me, because my goal is to write good software that is useful for as many people as possible. Why wouldn’t I want my good software to make people’s lives better just because the entity that sells it does not contribute anything back? Honestly, there is a lack of value for me.
Another patch should be added to rename "Systemd" into "Surveillanced".
The corresponding surveillancectl would go well with it lol
Just make NosystemD and fork it with only that removed.
Just realized that even if there is no mechanism to get the exact date from any of these age tracking systems, they'll be able to infer the exact dates by just looking at when the user/device transitions to the next bracket. Then they'll know the birthday for the start of that bracket falls somewhere between the last check and the current one.
Though maybe that data can be poisoned by making it transition backwards occasionally, so it looks like the user is editing their age older and back or something. But, on the other hand, a lack of data or poisoned data is going to be a flag on its own at some point (if not already).
If this will indeed be implemented, that is finally an objectively good reason for the haters. I wonder how distros will deal with this.
I'm not so technical, but my understanding this won't be systemd enforcing it, as much as offering a common storage and retrieval method for the Distros.
Please correct me if mistaken
You are correct. Similar to how /etc/passwd used in all Linux distros has had mostly neglected "GECOS" field for full name and phone number for decades. I am yet to hear of SMS validation done against such phone numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecos_field
Why not extend the GECOS field? I haven't seen the conversation but assuming it has to do with access control. By putting it in passwd/shadow you're limited by filesystem permissions on the whole file, meaning it becomes impossible or annoying to do selective disclosure to certain user/process without bolting some service similar to what systemd is doing on top.
Lots of references to discussion and alternative proposals are tracked by Kicksecure/Whonix: https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Age-api
I haven't looked into this b/c, frankly, this at a low place on my current emergencies list, but sounds plausible.
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