The Embodiment of America : usa

[-] besbin@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago

That's some beautifully written words. Gonna save that for later.

[-] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Same here

[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago

Honestly the draft dodging is the only thing I give him credit for and that's just because it was an imperialist war.

[-] human@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I agree, but he didn't get out of it because of any moral objection to the war itself, he used his privilege to to get himself out of something he didn't want to do while other people who equally didn't want to go were shipped off to the meat grinder against their will. Not saying he should have gone, but we're not talking about a conscientious objector here.

[-] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 7 points 4 months ago

That would have required a conscience, and we all know this fat orange fuck is one hundred percent Jiminny Cricket free.

[-] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nah, that's privileged bone spurs. Fuck that.

At least when my father did it he pulled an Alice's Restaurant, which was likely very true for him, claiming everyone would be the enemy if he was forced to go. This was before AR was a folk legend btw, it just so happened that he was one of many who made that approach, it may have been common knowledge at the time.

Anyway that fascist clown deserves no credit for anything. Fuck everything he's done, fuck him entirely.

[-] foreverknew@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that part didn't sit well with me either. How does refusing to throw away your life for a nation state's interest and to being instrumentalized to harm and kill others constitute cowardice?

Starting a war when you yourself dodged the draft is definitely evidence of hypocrisy, moral bankruptcy and just pathetic.

But people refusing to be pawns in some belligerent leaders wargame is far from cowardice.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Well, he didn’t do it for any lofty ideals like that I’m sure

[-] foreverknew@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure, he just wanted to save his skin (Which is not cowardly either, in my opinion).

However, the OP said "the cowardice of a draft dodger" which reads like a generalized statement. Also all other listed groups are reprehensible, putting draft dodgers in there is just weird.

Edit: I'm cool with bar stool drunks as long as they don't spew evil bullshit, to be clear

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Yeah but imagine how funny it would be for him to die in vietnam

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

It could still happen

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Well, he's an imperialist and is one of a handful of people that SHOULD have gone to fight in that war, if the world was fair at least.

[-] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

What if part of why his ego is permanently crippled is that he was forced to fake bone spurs to avoid getting pulled in with McNamara's 100,000?

[-] octobob@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago

Everyone should dodge the draft. I'd rather go to prison than serve

[-] RosaLuxemburgsGhost@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

Only serve the army of the working class.

[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

the cowardice of a draft dodger

Literally the only good thing this man has ever done with his life is to duck out of the Vietnam War.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

What if he’d have gotten killed there, though? That would have been good

[+] unmagical@lemmy.ml -7 points 4 months ago

He also legalized hemp, enacted project warp speed, banned bump stocks, rescheduled cannabis, stopped production of the penny, and opened the door to researching and possible legalization of psychedelics. But that's kinda the whole list. Granted some of those were through extra-legal means, and some were reversed by his own judges.

[-] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

For every one of those things mentioned, his only motivation were to benefit him, which also happened to be seen as a boon to society.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Sure.

He's a monster with deplorable policies and beliefs, a blight on humanity, and deserving of some brutal comeuppance, but that doesn't mean he's done nothing of benefit. Denying that vile people don't occasionally do something right is a great way to grow calloused against humanity in general which will make it difficult to form actual genuine connections with others--something that's necessary if we're gonna build a better world from this.

I personally try not to deny reality when having discussions with others.

[-] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

While I agree entirely, I stand by my assessment of that malignant narcissist. He has never expressed true empathy or caring for anyone but himself, his family and his devotees. Nothing he's ever done was motivated by anything other than how it benefits him. Not a single act.

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

No need to use medicalized language, you can say asshole. Lots of people are diagnosed as narcissists without doing or wanting to do any of the disgusting shit he did and does. We need to avoid stigmatizing people for their mental conditions, it's the actions that count and plenty of people act monstrously because of systemic reasons rather than brain chemistry or whatever.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 4 months ago

Malignant narcissist

[-] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I upvoted this comment then went out to pull weeds from my retaining wall, considering it much of the time. IThe vast majority of clinical narcissists are rooted in social conditioning, comparatively few medical. There's no reason to hold any sort of empathy or extra consideration for these people. Call them out. Especially the narcissist rapist in chief.

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I'm close friends with a woman with NPD and she's nothing like that. Whether we're born or conditioned to be narcissists the word is still heavily misused and I'm troubled by this kind of assertion because (again) they're more likely to be victims than abusers.

[-] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well okay then, that's worth noting and being aware of. Thank you for that.

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Thank you for being so kind and receptive

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Idk about the valiance of a bunch of those. A couple - banning bump stocks, rescheduling cannabis, psychedelics - were on rails from prior admins. I really don't know about Project Warp Speed, given how he immediately tore the wiring of the program out in his second term. I guess I'll spot you the penny.

If I was going to point to anything during his time in office, it was the Afghanistan withdrawal. Except that... glances at the half dozen other wars he started... idk if that gets to count on the balance.

[-] Revolutionary_Apples@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

'stupidity passed off as common sense' this has plagued me my whole life.

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

And now also the Antichrist!

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately he is actually president.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Why you gotta be mean to me?

[-] pfunk1978@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Garbage in, garbage out.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Holy shit that was beautiful.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Chomo Caligula

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe your America.

I actually do what I can to take care of my neighbors, and I don't vote Democrat or Republican.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

oh my god trump is a tulpa and this is why he won't fucking die!

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