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i want to remotely ssh to my home server, and I was wondering if I could just forward port 22 with disabling password login and use pubkey authentication will be safe enough?

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[–] brandontaylor1@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago (19 children)

As long as password auth is disabled you’re fine. No one is cracking your RSA key. You can add Fail2Ban to reduce the log noise, but security wise it’s fine.

[–] boxcorsair@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] mshriver2@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you really want security you should also add UFW and restrict it to only your IP address.

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[–] kaipee@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Disable password auth.

Enable key only auth.

Add in TOTP 2FA (google authenticator).

Randomize the port (reduce bots) that forwards to 22.

Configure lockout to block upon 3 failed attempts, for a long duration like 1 year. (Have a backup access on LAN).

Ensure only the highest encryption ciphers are accepted.

Ensure upgrades are applied to sshd at least monthly.

[–] gnordli@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If you are going all out, may as well add hosts.deny and hosts.allow.

[–] Kazer67@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Add port knocking, if we go all out, let's go all out!

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[–] sidusnare@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Configure lockout to block upon 3 failed attempts

fail2ban

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[–] chaplin2@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

If you disable password authentication, and use public key authentication, yes.

[–] AnApexBread@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

disabling password login and use pubkey authentication will be safe enough?

Just make sure you actually disable password login. Simply enabling key doesn't disable password. So as long as the password is disabled then you're fine.

[–] Bloodrose_GW2@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

Better use some kind of VPN and only open the SSH port over the VPN interface.

[–] mrpink57@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No. Just VPN in and SSH in.

[–] kaipee@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How is a VPN service more secure than an SSH service?

Both accept login.

Both provide can be brute forced / if using password.

[–] sdR-h0m13@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

WireGuard uses UDP and will not respond if the attacker doesn't have the correct key. So the port used by WG will appears as a closed port.

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[–] Scruffy-Nerd@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I think many ppl are missing a step here. Setup a VPN with wireguard or similar. Then in ur sshd configs only allow ssh from ur VPN local subnet. That on top of ssh key login is pretty secure. Unless one of ur other services gets compromised and they pivot to ur VPN network. Then u prob have more problems tbh

[–] Both-Following9917@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

Get fail2ban setup at a minimum

[–] no_step@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

I run this on port 22 and ssh with keys on a different port

[–] highedutechsup@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[–] JB1712@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Should be safe enough to do this but I’ll throw in one potential caveat. Say that you one day somehow need to troubleshoot your ssh server and have to re-enable password authentication. Depending on how many other services you plan to run, it can be easy to suddenly forget you have port 22 exposed on the outside and someone could potentially break in if you use a weak password. This is why I personally host only necessary https content over port 443 to the world. I host anything else so only my wireguard vpn can access it. As for bots hitting port 22 on the outside can be another huge problem. Changing the port can disuade some but remember that the port number is only two bytes in size. A comprehensive port scan only takes a very short amount of time to complete. This, in my humble opinion, creates an extra point of access for you to remember for not that much to gain. That all being said, forwarding key protected ssh is safe enough to do.

[–] speculatrix@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I've opened port 22 to specific IPv4 addresses, like my employer's, friends and family.

For any other IPv4 origin, its best to set up a VPN. It's trivial to set up wireguard.

You're probably safe to open port 22 for IPv6, as the address space is unfeasibly large to be scanned, but still, the secops in me doesn't like security by obscurity, so I don't. Also, there's evidence that hackers use things like IPv6 access logs on NTP to find accessible devices to target.

[–] Gabe_Isko@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Honestly? Would not recommend it. Probably no one breaking in soon, but there are just constantly tons of botnets portscanning 22 over the whole IP range. You should at least think of switching ports, but I usually recommend at least having a vpn for ssh.

[–] eirsik@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

SSH exposed with key auth and not password is fine. It is the exact purpose of SSH after all. Also there are milions of web servers out there with exposed SSH because a lot of their users prefer to work with SSH and CLI instead of a web UI. Big hosts such as GoDaddy, BlueHost, Hostgate and so on, all expose their SSH. You don't see their servers crash and burn every week.

[–] betahost@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Or use something like Tailscale.com, secure private mesh vpn. No need to expose any ports.

Added feature that comes with it: https://tailscale.com/tailscale-ssh/

It’s also 100% free

[–] Prof-Mmaa@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I keep ssh on port 80, multiplexed with usual HTTP traffic thanks to sslh. Basically it's a protocol switchboard what detects what kind of traffic reaches your server and forwards it to appropriate service. It can distinguish between SSH/HTTP/OpenVPN and a few more.

Pros? Security wise probably nothing more that SSH already offers, but port 80 is rarely (if ever) blocked on other networks and having SSH on port that is non-standard and obscured, cuts way down on random attempts to guess the user/password combination.

[–] blackstar2043@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

This is my current hardened sshd configuration.

ssh/sshd_config: https://pastebin.com/7tH36TdJ

  • Public key authentication and 2fa using oathtool are used to authenticate.
  • Logging in is only possible for members of the 'ssh-user' group.
  • "root" login is disabled through "PermitRootLogin", "DenyGroups", and "DenyUsers".
  • "restricted" has the ability to log in from any host.
  • "user" is limited to using the internal network to log in.
  • 'admin' can only log in when connected via WireGuard.
  • "sftp" may login, but only uses the sftp server. There is no shell available.

pam.d/sshd: https://pastebin.com/eqkisf4F

  • All successful pre-2FA logins will trigger the 'ssh-login-alert', which sends an NTFY alert containing the time, date, user, and host IP.
  • The use of /etc/users.deny prevents root login.
  • The use of /etc/users.allowed permits login by "restricted", "user", "admin" and "sftp".
  • 2FA and ssh-login-alert trigger do not apply to "sftp"
[–] SamSausages@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Yes and no.

Yes if you have the resources to monitor and update. Companies have entire teams dedicated to this.

No if you don't have the resources/time to keep up with it regularly.

IMO, no need to take this risk when you have services like Tailscale available today.

[–] marbonmb@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I know that some VPN are able to create private networks for devices logged with your account. For exemple nordvpn is able to connect your devices into their "mesh network" and make your devices available through the VPN. I think it's better than exposing a ssh service on Internet, even with a lot of protections!

[–] gentooxativa@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is always better to randomize your ssh port, you will be safe from some scans

[–] foomatic999@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Using a non-standard port for SSH doesn't make it safer but it greatly reduces noise in your logs. If you only use it yourself, change the port.

[–] mshorey81@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Most likely it's fine. Though it's not terribly difficult to set up some flavor of VPN so you're not exposing 22 at all outside your network. Personally I use Wireguard.

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[–] InevitableArm3462@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I recommend implementing a VPN (wireguard is working very well for me) and through that do ssh

[–] Swanners@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I would not do this, people port scan all the time and thats an easy one to look for. Try using an at home vpn like openvpn or in the very least change the ssh port to something odd like 6854 or whatever.

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[–] billiarddaddy@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Move it to a four digit port on your router and port for to 22 internally.

[–] InfaSyn@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

With PubKey and Fail2Ban its probably ok but wouldnt chance it personally. Can you use a different port too?

[–] Ok_Size1748@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Port knocking could be useful here

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