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[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 66 points 4 months ago

Iran wasn't a ground operation. And so much shorter. And there was no revolution.

Such a weird comparison.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 months ago

Lasts a month costs about half at much of the entire 20 years of the Vietnam war.

In straight monetary values it is probably a bigger loss.

The people who would care are the same buffoons who only care about gas prices.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, Thats why. He just rolled over after fucking everyone in the country over first.

[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

News outlets like to pretend that cessation of further attacks is failure. We started the war with a Tomahawk missile which killed 168 people, more than 100 school children. Destroyed apartments, hospitals, bridges, water supply. Continuing that shit would have been a success? A victory?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure they're saying trump didn't achieve what he wanted. Mainly because he didn't even know what he wanted.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

He wanted what Israel wanted and Netanyahu promised, for Iran to collapse completely.

[-] gjoel@programming.dev 13 points 4 months ago

Probably more like the initiation of attacks was a failure. Me yielding when getting beaten up by a boxer isn't the mistake. Me starting a fight with one in the first place was.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Defeat was inevitable already when the first missile was sent. No matter if USA sent more or didn't. there was no possible winning strategy. All analysts knew this.

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago

That's just wrong. The war started with great many missiles and bombs some of which did what you claimed. A single missile can only destroy a single thing. And when you remember how many bombs fell a minor amount of collateral and misstargeting is the usual horror of war.

I mean, America likes to destroy civilizations (a country that has Native genocide as its origin story), it's the anti-civ "civ" after all, so I guess it is an American failure. Now, those now left in power in Iran could still sell off the country to Western oligarchs, which would be a victory for America but that's still seemingly undecided.

[-] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

TBF this thing didn't last the better part of a decade and a half and cost hundreds of thousands of American lives. The war on "terror" was a better comparison

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

(That's the point).

Been saying since the start: Iran is likely in on all this

  • IRGC Coup -- The IRGC has LONG been wanting to make a move over the Ayatollah. Now the new Ayatollah is a sockpuppet and the IRGC has completely taken over by way of coup.

  • Quelled Civil Unrest -- Prior to this conflict, civil unrest in Iran was heavily mounting. Thousands upon thousands out on the street. Now Iranian dissidents hopeful for being rescued were baited out of their homes, only to be slaughtered the first time Trump left them hanging, and the second time Israel and USA suddenly became the new threat and rallied the masses around while also indicating nobody was actually coming to save them from the tyranny within.

  • Superficial Damage -- Most damage done to Iran has largely been superficial for media optics. Even their nuclear program has largely remained intact.

  • New Cashflow -- Not only has this massively benefitted Russia with lifted oil sanctions, the IRGC got a massive injection into their own economy, both with the new toll system but also the literal cited fucking article above.

Meanwhile Trump doesn't give a shit. His goal as a Trojan Orange has been a success.

[-] stretch2m@infosec.pub 3 points 4 months ago

This. Isn't. Over. Yet.

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Look, everyone talks about Vietnam… terrible situation, lots of mistakes by the generals, very sad… but what we did with Iran, let me tell you, it makes Vietnam look like an absolute walk in the park. The incompetent leaders in Washington gave us a total disaster with Iran, frankly the worst failure in the history of our country, maybe ever, believe me!

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago
[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There something wrong with archive. sites or unwall.app?

Just put the article link after unwall.app:

https://unwall.app/foreignpolicy.com/2026/06/16/iran-vietnam-strategy-defeat/

Hm, that seems to still have sign up, but archive.is has whole thing:

https://archive.is/rsAQV

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes I could do that, and try the many different options until I find one that works.

OR!

OP could provide a link that actually works, so everybody didn't have to hunt for it.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Or you could install the removepaywalls.com browser extension and never have this problem again.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Thanks 👍
That looks way more useful, I've added the plugin to my browser. 😀

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