Based on their contributing page, Chatto appears to be heavily vibe coded, with them actively encouraging any other contributors to use AI. That gets a hard pass from me.

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah this is just an AI slop project by the look of it. Realistically I think fluxer is going to be the "winner" when discord does finally implement age verification, and while even that one's fairly vibecoded, it doesn't come close to the levels of AI bullshit in this one.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Sounds pretty good. If they release a Windows client it might be the first real Discord alternative (assuming calling and screensharing is actually decent)

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Movim is a federated chat platform that recently implemented most of Discord's features. It's a little rough in the UX department, but it's pretty much all there, and it isn't vibe-coded like this chatto app is.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Looks good too

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Incredible to suggest using for an objectively worse and less mature project just because it's artisanally written.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Movim has been developed since 2011 (Chatto began development 8 months ago, in comparison) and is based on XMPP, which is battle tested and proven to scale. It has a codebase that is maintainable long-term.

I personally would not trust an almost entirely vibe-coded app using tools prone to hallucination to be secure and properly implement encryption. But if others don't have those concerns, then by all means.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It would be nice if these kinds of projects moved towards developing and using interoperable standards, so using something like XMPP seems like a good direction. It makes sense that people have different preferences and dealbreakers for software but it seems like it should be unnecessary for open source chat programs to be the subject of contentious arguments about which one people should use. The argument should be whether to keep using Discord etc. or switch to a unified open ecosystem, not Discord vs picking one of many separate small networks.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The lack of interoperability between modern chat apps is a real tragedy. I remember the days when you could have a single messenger app of your choice and talk to people across different networks instead of having to juggle a whole bunch of apps like you do today. Really shows why open protocols are so important.

[–] Kynn@jlai.lu 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There never was. It was only a sea of different instant messenger protocols, and each had their pros and cons. So much that you had meta messengers, doing multiple protocols. Trillian for example. You had to get multiple accounts and softwares to get everyone.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Protocols were understood well enough that you could build a single app that could communicate across different platform. That's basically not feasible today.

[–] SlimePirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why not Fluxer?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

tangentially related but the names of these apps are all terrible aren't they

[–] artiman@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah that's amazing, you do have to use canary for voice and screensharing to work nicely though.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago

it does look very promising, and nice that it's easy to self host too