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Are there any comparisons of init systems that focus daily use metrics? Stuff like what writing scripts looks like and boot times and logging capabilities? (And any other use cases that are common)

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

Dood. Boot times are useless 'flex' metrics more influenced by processor and disk speed than init systems. My el5 and el6 archive systems boot faster than my el7 ELS system, which itself is faster than el9; but not by enough to matter when you're booting every week to a month. It's never BEEN an issue.

Compare complexity: Has your init system metastasized over the entire host and re-implemented (poorly) other core systems, so long-dependable features just simply don't work, and everything has its own rinky-dink silly-walk to configure instead of /etc/fstab or /etc/exports, instead of staying in its lane? No? You're good. Diversity and specialization will give you excellent results and security. Yes? You have systemd.

There's your comparison.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can just try them out in a VM if you're interested. Systemd can become quite a deep rabbit hole, but most of the others are quite simple and best learnt by doing.

[–] GaumBeist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I realize this is the best option, since it centers my experience and needs better than anyone else's summary, but what to do if I don't have the time to daily drive enough init systems long enough to understand the scope and limitations of each?

E.g. Gentoo's wiki has a comparison chart of all the systems I'm aware of, but I don't know what some of the rows mean, so I would have to daily drive multiple types to get a feel for what it's like with and without those options and how that affects me as an end-user. It also doesn't include metrics that often get referenced but not quantified in the comparisons I find (stuff like boot times)

Furthermore, the only two times I've tried to switch out the init system on my PC, I've somehow managed to bork things so bad I had to do a fresh reinstall. Yes, I could do troubleshooting, but that's even more hours (or even days) of downtime up front.

All this to say: I'm just looking for a little bit of a shorcut to reduce the amount of documentation I have to read, and tweaking I'll end up doing.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think if you're at the point of poweruser where you're deciding an init system, you probably should just try them out in VMs. It doesn't have to take loads of time. Install an OS, try writing some basic services, try doing some basic config for your use-case.

For the vast majority of users, they'll never have this problem, because they'll just use whatever init system comes with their OS. I know some distros give init freedom, but most are locked in to one or another init. The fact that you have this problem suggests that either you're using the wrong distro and should switch to one that chooses for you (or just pick based on one-line descriptions), or it'd be worth your time to spend a day or two poking around with the init systems under consideration in VMs.

[–] fozid@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately, you do what everybody else does. You use your reading, patience and time to research test and try various options over the course of weeks, months and years until you get experienced and knowledgeable about Linux and the ever changing options and configurations. There is no ultimate manual that tells you everything there is to know about Linux.

[–] hunger@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just use a distribution that uses the init system you want to test by default. The init system is a pretty central piece of infrastructure in todays unix, ditsributions need to invest a lot of effort to make it work well. The default init system always works better than any other options a distribution offers (if they even over options).

[–] hunger@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

These comparisons assume the systems do the same thing, resulting in a comparable system once everything is up and running.

That is just not the case. Systemd does a ton more wrt. security, hardening and reliability. E.g. it has udev integrated and not running "stand-alone" since it tends to lock itself up when it needs to start long-running services in response to HW showing up. Yes that happens rarely but there is nothing you can do about it. Logind locks down permissions to HW way more tightly than the "forks" that have the same problems that the pre-logind system had -- and that led to logind getting developed in the first place. Lots of sandboxing options are built into systemd and widely used to run services (I rarely saw any sandboxing elsewhere so far out of the box), measured boot is pretty much a systemd-only thing at this time, ... .

[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

One init system is the new standard, widely adopted by all serious distros, installed and configured by default. It is opinionated, spits in the eye of most experienced IT admins but is the only real alternative for who needs to earn a living with linux. It is well supported and understood.. The others are well established standards that did not survive the test of time and are slowly dying out, kept around by nostalgic hobbyists that will catch any mention of systemd as an excuse to profess their hate for poettering, binary logs or some udev or logind babbling.

Tldr: systemd if you don't want to bother, any other if you want to play