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As always, the paying user has the worst experience. "Purchase" a show, can only watch on a certain console of a certain brand, no transfers, no backups, then it suddenly disappears from the library and nothing can be done.

If media companies insist on draconian DRM, then they should pay for full refunds to their loyal customers when one day they decide to delist that specific show.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 411 points 11 months ago (3 children)

if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing

[–] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I wish u could retweet a lemmy comment. Well said.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 11 months ago (7 children)

technically you can since lemmy, kbin, and mastodon all use activitypub :P

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago

welcome to the fediverse. Boost = retweet ;)

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[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 26 points 11 months ago

Fairer words have never been spoken

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[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 123 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheLobotomist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago

Cool tattoo idea!

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 86 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Absolutely insane.

I can understand extreme cases, like some sort of disputed IP where their contact to sell the content turns out not to be with the actual rights holder, resulting in no longer serving the content (with an unconditional full refund). But past that they should be legally required to host the content until the heat death of the universe.

[–] SamXavia@kbin.run 48 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Yeah this is one of the reasons I've been slowly moving my gaming time over to Steam as they very rarely do stuff like this and if they delist the game, if you've already purchased the game you can still play it 99.99% of time. Sad to see Playstation go down this route.

[–] flames5123@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

This is all movie/show content. It’s still BS, but it’s licensed TV/movie content that’s the problem. The dumb laws we have really are the problem.

[–] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Steam is the same. It's just a license to play the game. GOG is better in this regard.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Give it another 10 years, you won’t “own” anything. It’ll be “licensed.” Weird tho. Digital content is endless. But you can’t consume it into extinction; physical things are finite, but we’re like here take it! It’s yours! Call a cop or shoot anyone trying to take it.

Seems backwards to me.

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[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago

"As always, the paying user has the worst experience."

So true.

[–] kindenough@kbin.social 58 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"We sincerely thank you for your continued support."

As in stfu and keep giving us money?

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago

Looks perfectly translated to me

[–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Alright, what this looks like is Sony's deal with Discovery to sell and host their TV shows has been removed. From my quick glance there are no games being removed.

Still is BS, and beyond ridiculous. But it was inevitably going to happen at some point.

I am more pissed that I got informed that they are doing this from here instead of being told that I am losing my Myth Busters.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But it was inevitably going to happen at some point.

If you believed this, wtf would you ever give them your money to begin with???

[–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because it was 2009, I was I kid, and I saw Mythbusters and I said yes. I learnt my lesson when they remove PlayStation Video years ago from PS3, and the PSP. I didn't even know I could re-download it until I stumbled upon it in a menu years later.

I am just hoping and praying that this will not extend to their games. Sony's been pretty good about game ownership to this point, look at those who bought the PT Demo and can still play it.

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[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 42 points 11 months ago

Now THAT is stealing.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And this is why I never “buy” media online. If I can’t own the media and enjoy the content whenever and wherever I want, it’s rented. I may be ok with that, but I never let them claim that it was a sale.

[–] SamXavia@kbin.run 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sadly purchasing a phyical copy still will mean you can't play it due to the required download for most consoles these days.

[–] MajorTom@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's one reason I've ordered a few titles from PlayAsia recently. For example, the NTSC switch edition of the Metal Gear Solid collection requires downloading the titles. With the PlayAsia edition, lo and behold- everything is on the card, and multiple languages to boot.

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[–] crit@links.hackliberty.org 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Buy it for the convenience and for the good Devs, pirate it after if they try taking it away. You already paid for it

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"But you only ever owned a usage-license, which we now suspended" strawman argument incoming.

Well duh, then i don't have "buyed" but rented it. Usage of those terms by platforms should be sued as misleading.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago

I look forward to the class action suit, and the $14 check I'll get in the mail.

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Modern consoles are a scam.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I stopped buying'em when they started charging for 2nd internet.

Fucking rubes ruin everything I swear lol.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Like.... They're straight up taking it back? No refunding? That is so asinine.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (3 children)

"We sincerely thank you for your continued support."

Not only are they not refunding, They seem to think you might purchase something else from them in the future.

[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even Google was giving people full refunds for all games that were bought on Stadia when they gave up on that. I can't imagine that the total refunds would even be that bad for Sony given the increases they made for PSN prices. Would at least come across as at least pretending to "do right" to keep some level of trust from the people that have been buying non-game media from them. It would all be just a PR thing with some loss of current money for future money. Maybe even just offer a free amount of credit for getting some shows/movies from the Sony owned studios.

But since Sony is currently the number one, they will keep on their fuck shit until Microsoft or Nintendo are able to pull some big push. Playstation really only does kind of cool shit for customers when they aren't in the lead.

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[–] Sterben@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's one reason why Piracy will always exist, am I right?

[–] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 46 points 11 months ago

It’s why it must exist.

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

Fucking assholes. This is why piracy is justifiable, and in some cases, even necessary.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This won't change until someone sells a yacht to a Senator with fine print that it's only a perpetual license. Then comes back 3 years later and takes the yacht citing the fine print in the contract.

[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

If I’m to believe I own the crap I buy that’s digital delivery, then if they want to take it back, they need to buy it from me at my price.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

God, I hope these bastards get sued 'cause little doubt they won't be refunding the poor schmos who've just been robbed of their property.

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[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Discovery Entitlements Affected Titles

As of 31 December 2023, due to our content licensing arrangements with content providers, you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed from your video library.

We sincerely thank you for your continued support.

Thank you,

PlayStation Store

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Turns out you people didn't actually purchase it.

I wonder if anywhere in the "purchase" terms they included "while Sony holds the license to distribute."

I hate that "purchases" people make are restricted per platform. If I "purchase" a specific title it should be available on any and all platforms that serve that content. No one should be asked to purchase it on Sony. Apple, Netflix, Amazon, or whatever other shitty streaming service comes out.

As much as I think nfts are fucking retarded, this could be one of the few cases where that stupid digital receipt might make sense.

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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If I purchased it, do I get store credit for losing what I bought?

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago

That's funny. You should do stand-up

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but since it's "used", you get .1 percent what you paid for it.

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[–] ddkman@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think when this happens you DO get a refund, (usually a coupon for the same service, but still). This is a situation where villanizing Sony would be, but not necessarily correct. Obviously they have no interest to remove previously purchased content from user libraries. (like this).

So the question is, on what possible grounds can a company change licensing AFTER sales have been made. This is the same fucking mess as with the soundtrack being retroactively removed from GTAIV. How is this legal?

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[–] DestroyerOfWorlds@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago

just got my multi season science fiction show downloaded via the salty seas. apparantly it would cost $50-85 to download or stream from the "legit" vendor. A vendor that bought the rights and closed the ability to access previous seasons. So, not going well for the loyal customers.

[–] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 12 points 11 months ago

almost like "purchasing" it was the real crime.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

That list of shows that's being removed is huge too.

God I hope people reconsider purchasing products from companies that do these kind of things to them.

At some point you think if they get smacked up the side of their heads enough times that they will actually wake up and do something about it.

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