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DenuvOwO and LinUwUx are bringing you the year of the Linux desktop. (lemmy.nz)

submitted 2 months ago by alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/63408349

173 Denuvo games. All from userspace. All you need is a Proton build, and if you're on Zen 3 and below, a hypervisor.

Existing releases are actively being updated to support Linux, with Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resynced already working amongst almost a hundred others.

A full compatibility list will be posted this week, with the detailed instructions for the setup process already available.

Now on the Stickies of the Main Forum on CS RIN.

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[-] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 76 points 2 months ago

I love how Microsoft has billions at their disposal and they are being beaten to pulp by hobby programmers, fucking amazing, keep it up.

[+] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe -48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol, no, they aren't.

Linux isn't the desktop of choice for business, which is what MS cares about. That's where they make their money.

And that means SMB will run Windows Server to manage user accounts and the environment in general.

Add Excel to that equation, and Linux has no relevance in the business world (and before you mention any OSS competitor I have one word: tables. And I'll add decades of automation).

Yes, you could do things like Linux as the OS then run virtualization layers or Wine or whatever, but there's no value in that for a typical SMB, and a lot of risk.

Enterprise is even more of a lock-in for MS, because it's a simple choice, they get all the support they need from MS, and it "just works" for them.

MS has a mature user, machine, and software management infrastructure that's well known by millions of technical people. Desktop and office apps have the same familiarity (and again I'll mention decades of extant automation built around excel).

Linux doesn't stand a chance against MS in a business environment for the desktop. Can it be done? Sure. But in very specific use-cases and hoping you'll never grow into a circumstance where you suddenly need Office or some other element to interop with a vendor or client. This is exactly the situation management doesn't want to be blamed for.

Servers are different question altogether, and have been since 2000.

[-] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 95 points 2 months ago

[-] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.today 52 points 2 months ago

I fail to see where the comment you replied to had any concern whatsoever for the business environment.

[-] 0x0@infosec.pub 18 points 2 months ago

Dont be too hard on them, theyre just a corporate user

[-] alexsantee@infosec.pub 7 points 2 months ago

Also, I can't see how the Xbox branch of Microsoft represents the business users that they supposedly care about

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 months ago

The post is about gamers, not corpo dogs.

[-] Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 months ago

Entire counties / governments all over the world are transitioning off windows products. Do they still hold the lionshare of marketshare for the desktop environment, yes obviously, but there was never an expectation that the swap would be all at once. Gradually over the next 10 years more will follow and would not be surprised to see this become closer to 70/30 (windows still dominant) by 2035.

[-] bort@sopuli.xyz 26 points 2 months ago

decades of extant automation built around excel

i have seen some of these. it all needs to burn. (and then be replaced by 3 python scripts and a csv file. )

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

Ew no. Put data in a database.

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This might change tho. The current push for digital autonomy by the EU is creating a pretty large movement towards open source and Linux in many countries. Sure, it's not an overwhelming amount of machines simply dropping windows, but it increases the amount of Linux and OSS software in government and attached business by a significant share of the market, creating a pull effect.

This might be what makes other businesses move away from Microsoft in the long run. Being able to say that the data you store is safe from US government agencies simply because you aren't attached to them anymore might be a plus in the current - and even more in future - markets.

It's similar to what happened in the server space. Everything was IIS, until it wasn't because OSS became the thing to use. These days MS rents out Linux servers.

Edit: this doesn't mean that we won't be stuck with Windows legacy stuff for the next decades tho :-(

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was working on server side stuff back then and IIS was never dominant - it was more a hodge-podge of various solutions including stuff like Sun's proprietary stuff on top of SunOS, and indeed IIS was also in the mix though at least in my experience it never really overtook the Unix-based solutions.

But yeah, Apache with Linux came out and took pretty much the whole webservers and web-services market pretty fast, and Linux itself took over most of the broader server-side market (so, stuff beyond serving web-pages or REST interfaces).

Windows NT had a bit of a moment before that, but it didn't grew all that big on the server side because of competing Unix solutions back then (SunOS, IBM AIX and so on) and then Linux came and pretty much crushed NT server-side for anything but serving Microsoft-ecosystem-specific stuff (such as services supporting single sign-on for Windows).

[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Hard to swallow pills

We'll get there eventually but the tools to do so are still being made.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

What does SMB stand for in this context?

[-] crispbacon99@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Couldn't they just use Google sheets

Edit: its free and has better features at time than excel though if the goal is to move to open source then There's a huge push in the EU for just that.

[-] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

That's a special sort of hell, Google sheets. As an accountant, it's not up to snuff (although it's ability to have multiple people in the doc at the same time, and it's co-working abilities are wonderful). Gmail too is an especially epic absolute circle of hell, from a business user perspective.

The thing is, Microsoft Office is full of bugs that are 20+ years old at this point. If someone came along with an actual enterprise level business software suite that could be easily adapted and was quite similar to MOffice, especially Excel, I think Microsoft could be pretty easily crushed. As it is, they are high on their own farts, because there's nobody forcing them to be otherwise. There's been a few attempts, but nothing that could seriously be an alternative as of yet. And it's maddening, because Microsoft gouges everyone.

[-] Culminate@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 months ago

This is some impressive work. Glad people are taking an interest in Linux.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

I'm happy to see this become availible to Linux users. Especially since unlike the old HV bypass which Irdeto's astroturfers could easily spread FUD about this runs entirely in userland and thus doesn't have those risks. Not that they won't try, they still will. They'll just sound even more like clowns to everyone else.

[-] JamonBear@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Now on the Stickies of the Main Forum on CS RIN.

https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=159989

[-] anon232@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

Ugh I want to try this, but I'm using bazzite and it doesn't allow you to use dkms, and I'm not really keen on switching distros at the moment. This looks a lot easier than getting around it in windows.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Someone will eventually make an easy way. I mean this is already an example of that too, but there is always someone that will see the easy way and be like "I can make it easier".

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Bazzite does have it's own method of installing modules to the system. It's just not dkms. It would be great if this was adapted to that method though it'll probably be a while until that happens.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I was looking into it when bazzite was new but at the time it seemed like for my specific case at least I would have had to make my own image based on one of the bazzite images similar to how bazzite is based on ublue. iirc it was a module for some motherboard specific thing but I sold that one and got a normal one.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

That definitely seems like a pain. I hope there will be an easier method since a lot of people use Bazzite.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I haven't read up on the finer details but someone already made a decky plugin. you also need the special proton build but seems way easier.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

If you have AMD Zen 4 or newer, or Intel Ivybridge or newer the hypervisor isn't needed. For older than Zen 4 though you need the kernel module to make it work.

Currently you need to use dkms to install it but Bazzite doesn't allow that so it would need to be tweaked to use the method Bazzite uses to layer kernel modules.

[-] kugmo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

Why does Bazzite not allow you to use dkms? That's stupid, no idea why people shill for that distros.

[-] delcaran@feddit.it 12 points 2 months ago

It is not stupid, it just has a different use case.

[-] ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

It's an immutable distribution. By design you're not meant to modify/deal with system files.

It's mainly being recommended for Linux beginners, but not the enthusiasts who choose to compile custom kernels, install drivers etc.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Hopefully there will be a guide on how to install the module on immutable systems like Bazzite in the future. The proper way as they intended of course via rpm-ostree.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I'm curious why does it need a hypervisor, and why only on slightly older machines.

[-] Linearity@piefed.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Has to do with CPU virtualization. Only older Ryzen CPUs are affected afaik.

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