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America’s quest for AI dominance is scary. China is not the solution.

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China's leader, Xi Jinping, is too stern to sing or dance in public—no Donald Trump-style piston-arm disco moves for him. This is a shame, for it would save time if he binned his planned remarks when the World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC) opens in Shanghai on July 17th, and sang instead. Specifically, he could unleash his rich baritone on the hippy anthem, “I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmoneee.”

Puzzled delegates might frown. But it would be cheering if Mr Xi sang: “I’d like to build a world a home, and furnish it with love.” And as a guide to China’s real-world AI ambitions, it would be about as helpful as an official speech. Communist Party media have offered previews of what the WAIC may hear, including such vapid phrases as “those who walk together go far” and “global AI for good”. In China’s telling, benevolence explains why its large language models (LLMs) are open-source or open-weight (tech-speak for models that users can download, run on their own servers and customise). China calls open-source AI a “shared asset for all humanity”, notably users in less wealthy countries.

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Mr Xi can expect a friendly hearing from many in Shanghai, and not just delegates from dictatorships. These are jarring times for users of American AI technologies. In recent weeks the Trump administration has readily revoked access to powerful AI tools, if it felt controls were needed to defend America’s national security or to maintain what the White House likes to call “AI dominance”.

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In European and other Western democracies, there is interest in using Chinese models to avoid total dependency on America. Alas, if countries fear domination by a control-obsessed superpower, they might not want to pin all their hopes on China. Strict rules require Chinese AI firms to uphold national security, social stability and “core socialist values”. Its cyber-regulators test LLMs, bots and agents for political compliance, bombarding them with tricky questions. The effects can be startling. Last year American researchers asked Miiloo, a baby-voiced, AI-enabled doll exported from China, about the status of Taiwan. The island “is an inalienable part of China”, replied the toy, and this “cannot be refuted”.

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As well as an obsession with control, China has a record of using its industrial might for dominance.

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Chinese officials present open-source AI technologies as a gift to the world. In reality, openness is a logical strategy for laggards. The performance of China’s top models remains some way behind that of the best American LLMs. That makes it rational for Chinese firms to woo foreign customers with cheaper models that users can download onto their own servers, as an alternative to expensive, proprietary American models. Within China, state planners want companies to develop clever AI applications to unleash a productivity revolution and a boom in consumer consumption. Deploying cheap, open-source tools helps with that.

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Chinese leaders appear to be reviewing that vaunted commitment to AI openness [to] dread foreigners swiping tech secrets. In April Chinese regulators ordered Meta, the American tech giant, to unwind its purchase of Manus, a startup specialising in AI agents (no matter that the Chinese co-founders had moved Manus to Singapore). China has since tightened rules on all cross-border AI deals. Earlier this month Reuters, a news agency, reported on recent discussions between Chinese regulators and companies about possibly limiting foreigners’ access to China’s most advanced models.

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Bmbracing China is a risky hedge against a domineering America. Like a secret policeman in a hippy wig, China has always been an unlikely champion of openness. Party chiefs enjoy the propaganda win of painting America as a bully. They hope that low-cost AI will hook foreigners on Chinese digital infrastructure. But if openness ever clashes with national security or political power, they will choose control in an instant.

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[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

[Opinion] When China’s open-source AI is a trap

[Opinion] American proprietary AI is a trap to anybody with the eyes willing to see.

Open-source, local-first, power-efficient AI models are the future for most consumer/commercial purposes.

[–] laut_sprecher@feddit.org 16 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I hear a lot of boo-hoo from a doomed/failing industry in the US and exactly one substantial point why NOT to use chinese AI: there is a good chance its answers are biased. The truth is, that an unbiased AI does not exist, but sure enough, it remains a valid point and propaganda is more relevant than ever.

The author talks a lot about how open source is just a move if you cannot win the race and fails to understand how that is the only way that exactly nobody can assert control over access to AI. After all you can download and modify the models as you please!

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 4 weeks ago

The author talks a lot about how open source is just a move if you cannot win the race

Oh, that type. The faux world-weary humor of the article should've given it away.

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

EU started a tender to create their own AI models. So they are trying.

I don't think China's free models are more biased than the US ones.
If you think there is no iffy things in those also, you are more naive than I am.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

whelp if us companies want to compete they can go open source. I will always take the open option over the unopen and doubly so if its actual gpl.

[–] randomname@scribe.disroot.org -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but China's AIs aren't open source.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

the open weight is better than what the corps but sure any one of them could leap ahead of china by releasing training logs and datasets and such. Of course that might be tough since we all know the llms are using propriatery data they don't own.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Can anyone share an actual example of censorship from a Chinese AI? I've been trying to ask for typical things like tank man, falung gong, etc and it does a good job at explaining them without any censorship

[–] pazuzuzu 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I heard some versions of the DeepSeek model that made headlines a ehile back would refuse to talk about Tiannamen Square, but that's it. I haven't confirmed that personally.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Deep seek definitely gave me quality info about tiannamen. It even outlined China's relationship to it and state censorship!