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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

Modern book burning

[–] Dookieman12@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago

They're doing everything they can to avoid it, but it's supposed to be tHe FuTuRe

[–] meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 282 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Bruh, this is literally like scientists scavenging metal from shipwrecks that predate the era of nuclear bomb testing, cause they need steel that isn't contaminated by nuclear fallout for certain measuring equipment 😵‍💫😵‍💫

Great analogy for the shit we're currently saturating our digital world with

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tell me more about nuclear steel.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It’s actually the low radiation stuff from before the first nuclear bombs were detonated that we want. Turns out those kinds of bombs spread fallout and now literally everything on the planet has a trace amount

[–] cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au 50 points 1 week ago

Low background bullshit training data.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A guy I used to know who would go to estate sales looking for blacksmithing equipment once told me the market for old metalworking stuff is disappearing because too much stuff is being bought by companies én masse for this reason.

I don't know if I believe that companies are buying small lot auctions and estate sales for old anvils, but he was sure convinced.

I like to joke I'm sitting on a pile of cash because my anvil isn't radioactive. (it's not a very good joke, but it carries some weight!)

[–] BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If a big company needed a lot of something specific, they'd probably pay a pretty penny and let people going to small lot auctions accumulate a sizeable amount and then buy it from them.

It's not impossible to buy stuff from small lots at scale, as long as you're willing to pay a premium

My brother in law actually tried to hook me up at the car place he worked at, and my job would have been to go to auctions and estate sales looking for nice cars for the dealership to buy. It would essentially have been a couple things they want me to go to per week, but then I'd have to be looking myself for things like Craigslist, marketplace, and paper listings.

Didn't end up going for the job, due to the owners being shit head MAGAts, but it would have been interesting for a few months.

That's what I imagine any place that NEEDS pre-40s metal would do. Have a person who just goes to places that have blacksmithing tools advertised and buy them. Probably big auctions though, I imagine smallest ate sales wouldn't get much attention.

[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

According to Wikipedia, while a market for old, low-background steel was real phenomenon for a few decades, that's pretty much over.

World anthropogenic background radiation ... began to fall in 1963 ... and by 2008 it had decreased to only 0.005 mSv/yr above natural levels.[9] This has made special low-background steel no longer necessary for most radiation-sensitive uses, as new steel now has a low enough radioactive signature.

So you may consider your friend's estate-sale theory in light of that time-line.

but it carries some weight

Did you know about !dadjokes@lemmy.world?

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[–] minus@lemmy.zip 116 points 1 week ago (43 children)

The worst part is that they are destroying the books afterwards.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 week ago (5 children)

We also have no guarantee these books will be available at a later date in these digitized formats, nor that they won’t be altered to fit certain narratives which is of course trivial to do with digital copies. At a minimum these need public verifiable checksums to be relied upon.

I don’t like this and don’t trust it one bit.

These AI companies already showed their hand in trying to corner the PC component market with an end goal of users no longer being able to own their own PCs. Now they’re potentially trying to do this with all written recorded information.

How long until Altman’s Firemen show up at your door to burn your books?

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (21 children)

I'm waiting for the day when desperate LLM companies start paying people to post real human content, only for those people to just ask ChatGPT to do it.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Already happening for years.

Amazon mechanical turk, Outlier.ai, scale ai, are all gig platforms that pay people to produce real human content for LLM training.

At first they were paying people to actually produce content, like worked solutions to maths problems or translations, then they pivoted more to rating LLM output.

And as with every enshittification cycle, wages and work rapidly dried up, so people responded by asking LLMs for the answer just to meet deadlines and get by.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I envision the opposite:

In the future, I imagine authors will go to great lengths to prove their works to be authentically human. It may become standard practice for authors to live-stream their writing. Literally a years-long stream of them sitting at their desk. Comments turned off.

Perhaps libraries could even offer this as a service. Offer a space where authors can come write in public and have it simultaneously live-streamed. Maybe it becomes the norm for authors to mostly write publicly on a platform like Twitch, but to occasionally write in public spaces where they can be physically observed.

This will not be a legal requirement to publish a book. But no respectable author would do otherwise.

[–] jaygray91@piefed.zip 5 points 6 days ago

I imagine authors will go to great lengths to prove their works to be authentically human

artists (the drawing kind) have been posting timelapse of them drawing art for quite some time. It has since increased when AI sloperators flooded the field. But now I've heard some aren't even going to post them anymore, since the sloperators are training on those to make fake timelapse.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

more than likely they are scraping other AI bot posts, there isnt that many users on most of the social media sites. its 50/50 AI/BOTS for most of them.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Destroying the books too :(

[–] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Not to defend the AI crowd, but ever go to a Goodwill Outlet store? They usually have at least 1 gaylord box (the giant box on a pallet watermelons come in) full of books. Not sure how often they cycle those out, but I'm guessing pretty regularly. Multiply that by every semi major city Goodwill has a presence in. Add in other thrift sores with a similar quantity of books. You're talking ALOT of books. SO MANY books are thrown out everyday. Including by libraries. I don't really have a problem if some of those get diverted for a bit to be scanned. Yes, it's sad to see books getting destroyed. But there's alot of stuff people just really don't want. And, if you REALLY want a villain, maybe you can blame copyright law? That's part of the reason AI companies destroy the books - it helps to make their scanning efforts more legal. Absent that, they could probably be convinced to spend just a little more for nondestructive scanning, assuming they could find a home for the books they scanned (the sellers of these things couldn't, so good luck).

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

If the AI companies were simply picking up books that were already going to a landfill, I don't think that would bother anybody. That isn't what we're talking about here, though. These books are coming from booksellers, so it's fair to guess that most of them are at least a notch or two above what you'd find in a Goodwill bargain bin.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Bibles. There are so many fucking bibles. When I worked for a church we probably had 20 people a year buy a while new set of new bibles for the church. Like - we already had like 3,000 bibles with a weekly attendance of about 500. We didn't need new bibles, but people just kept giving them to us.

It's the most-printed book of all time, and they just don't stop making them. It's insane.

[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I mean even when you go to Goodwill, it's not like 99% of the books are rare or irreplaceable. How many copies of Patterson books does the world need to begin with?

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You can only stave off model collapse so long.

It’s only a matter of time before most of the data going in to LLMs came out of one too.

Like I’m not even good at math or anything, much less computer science, but that seems obvious and inevitable to me.

Maybe someone smarter than me can chime in.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 35 points 1 week ago

Damn AI ruined AI.

Hee hee.

[–] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago

Anna's Archive: ...uh, well okay, then.

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