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Those totally look like the isolinear chips from Star Trek

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[–] Davel23@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I've been seeing news stories like this every couple of years for most of my life, and yet storage technology just continues to plod along at the same pace it always has. Nothing ever comes of it.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just as you probably never see tape storage, you would never see this storage method either, as it's not intended for personal use.

However, while you do not see tape storage being used, it's maybe what the majority of world's storage uses.

[–] GnomeComedy@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's a sensational headline, sure - but I manage a few 200TB single unit servers at work and my cell phone has more than 20x the storage the computer I took to college had, and probably 20x faster.

To claim what you are ignores the significant improvements we've seen in the past 2 decades.

[–] Davel23@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Obviously I'm not saying storage technology doesn't improve. But it's incremental improvements, not exponential like these stories always claim.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

idk, I've still got some 512kb floppies somewhere.
Next to me is a 512GB flash drive.
1997 - 2023 is 26 years for a 1,000,000x larger storage device.
So come 2049, that should be at 512PB, they're forecasting 10PB.

I say it sounds reasonable enough.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Same. It's kind of a shame that folks forgot the word "vaporware" and what it means.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Vaporware is when software devs make claims about how great their yet-to-be-written software will be. Then, they never create it, either out of a lack of skill, time, or funding. Vaporware has, by definition, no proof of concept.

Hardware is a bit harder to call “Vaporware” since presumably they have working prototypes.

[–] jaidyn999@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Commodore 65.

Intellivision computer.

Commodore SuperPET based on the Zilog Z8000.

  • All vapourware.
[–] drwho@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

The Atari 2700.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

Vaporware historically includes stuff that never gets released officially, or was cancelled during the development process but was already advertised. One example of this was the Hellraiser game for the NES that would have pushed the capabilities of the console well beyond what it was ordinarily capable of because the cart included a Z80 CPU as a coprocessor. The Action Gamemaster (by Active Enterprises) in 1994. The Amiga Walker in 1996. Apple Interactive, which was a set-top box that ran OS 7, but it never went past the test type stage.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So like CD-Rs but with silica instead of organics.

I like the idea.

[–] jaidyn999@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seems more like a standard CD. It can only be written on once.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

CD-R is the standard CD. CD-RWs are the rewritable ones.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

CD-ROMs are read-only(-memory) & usually stamped plastic covered with mirror-ish surface (aluminum-somethings prob?).

CD-R have an (recordable) organic layer on top you can burn lil patterns into, once only.

CD-RW can be re-written several times.

But none of them really last long.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Many pressed CD-ROMs and audio CDs will likely last over 100 years if stored properly. However, the tolerances in the standard are high so lots of manufacturers use cheaper materials and processes than intended while still producing discs with the CD logo. It will take decades before we really know which were worse than others. The most likely point of failure is delamination, which will leak air between the layers and oxidize the aluminum coating in a process named laser rot after Laserdiscs, the earliest commercial optical disc system.

Anyway, the longetivity of (re)writable CDs is indeed usually below 20 years.

[–] IONLYpost@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The recording layers of the CDDAs (1983-1987) had already vanished. So they lasted no longer than 40 years.
"SHM-CD"s would probably meet that 100 year mark but DVDs made them pointless by the time they were first released.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, storage is very important in the long run.

And music industry indeed had some of the thiccest disks afaik.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, it’s not about the thickness. Most of it is clear plastic anyway, the data layer is only in the top few dozen micrometers. Also, all CDs and later 12cm discs were 1 mm thick by spec.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, I am talking about the top layer - some are def thiccer and more scratch resistant (I didn't mean thicket like you would notice looking at it from the side).

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Storage tech isn't as sensationalized and vapor-heavy as battery tech, but I do still wish holographic versatile discs had been a thing.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Data is written by two million laser beamlets that punch QR code-like nano-scale patterns into the surface of the media. The laser pulse is sharpened by a digital micromirror device, and shaped by microscope optics onto the surface of the data carrier. This process imprints holes – or no holes – onto the surface layer, which represents binary information.

It’s futuristic punchcards. We’ve come full circle.

[–] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

It’s futuristic punchcards.

always was.

[–] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Based on the demo video I'm assuming this is more for archival storage rather than on demand. So more like a tape replacement rather than hard drive?

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So am I wrong to say this is a stone tablet hard drive? Doesn't seem like you can overwrite data on it

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, looks like write once. Which, we got a lot of mileage out of CD-Rs, libraries are useful.

[–] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The firm claims it's cost-effective, fast, and scalable technology for future data storage because no energy is consumed to store data and it can last more than 5,000 years due to the fact it's made from ceramic. The best hard drives and best SSDs, by contrast, need to be replaced every few years.

lol, they for real discovered something that was discovered 12,000 years ago. ceramic keeps for a long time.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure their discoveries here are not the material properties of ceramics, but how to turn them into cost effective digital storage devices.

[–] SloanTheServal@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago

He who keeps the old akindle, and adds new knowledge, is fit to be ~~a teacher~~ an inventor.