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I understand all of these languages.
but I also never have sex.
life is full of trade-offs.
Yeah but I have you tagged as manosphere, so that is probably a you problem.
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English acting like it’s not a fucked up language where “the big, red, round, wrapped box” is fine but “the wrapped, round, red, big box” is wrong.
It's only wrong in how it makes your soul feel. Gramatically, it's okay.
Oh, no, it's wrong grammatically too, they just don't teach this unless you study linguistics. Most of all languages with fixed word order and some others have a natural order of adjectives. Tom Scott has a great vid about it.
Yes, Russian has an adjective order too. “A big old blue car” would be «большая старая синяя машина», saying «синяя большая старая машина» implies that “big old car” is a specific term.
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Oh, we know it's fucked up. I still can't spell recieve and receipt and I have to look up pretty much every single new word I learn to find out how it's pronounced.
I thought through it and I’d wager a stiff draught that it ought not be so rough, though as I’m taught, it’s nought to cough at that a sturdy, taut bough would snap under the weight of its idiosyncrasies.
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Yeah… English is a frankenstein language…
Also the adjective order is fucked…
It sounds unnatural to me as a native speaker, but I don't know that it's "wrong". Even the Germanic languages as a family don't consistently have the same order for words like that, which is neat.
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I don't know about Russian but at least Croatian which is also a Slavic language confuses the hell out of me (and I'm German)
Cases are what kill you in Slavic languages. Articles are a breeze though 😉
confuses the hell out of me (and I'm German)
And rightfully so. I'm also German, I learned Sorbian (slavic minority in Lusatia), and I can very much feel your pain.
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Persian(Farsi) also doesn't have a word for "The". We just say the word. There's also no gender prefixes. The whole language is gender neutral.
Our ancestors were really up to something thousands of years ago.
In English, there is an implied difference between “the girl downstairs was playing violin” (‘the girl’ implying expected knowledge - “oh, her”) versus “a girl downstairs was playing violin” (‘a girl’ - random, likely unknown).
More broadly “a thing” - one of many, “the thing” - a specific one.
How would that translate to Farsi?
Don't know about Farsi, but in Russian you would have to declare your knowledge and specificity of the subject. You can transmit some of that information by changing word emphasis, but it's not very clear.
As for your sentences I would translate them as:
- The girl downstairs was playing violin → Девушка [girl] внизу [downstairs] играла [was playing] на скрипке [violin].
- A girl downstairs was playing violin - Внизу [downstairs] девушка [girl] играла [was playing] на скрипке [violin].
The first one puts more emphasis on the "girl". The second one puts more emphasis on "downstairs", almost suggesting that the identity of the girl doesn't matter, kinda "some girl who happened to be downstairs". But it is not as explicit as a definite/indefinite article for sure.
If you want to make it certain that the identity of the girl doesn't matter, you could use an adjective to that extent: Внизу [downstairs] какая-то девушка [some girl] играла [was playing] на скрипке [violin].
If you want to make it certain that both you and the person you're talking to know about the girl, you can use a determiner: Та девушка [that girl] внизу [downstairs] играла [was playing] на скрипке [violin].
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Russian doesn't have definite/indefinite articles?
it doesn't really use article at all.
it's highly cased, the cases and inflection do all the work.
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And they aren't clear when to use them either, it's kinda cute when they look at you questioningly if they did correctly after formulating a sentence.
Neither does Polish. I know at least one polaka who confuses the/a(n) 15% of the time.
One of my Polish colleagues, who otherwise speaks pretty perfect English, seems to choose he/she/it at random when putting sentences together. Which is fine for objects, but misleading for people. "I saw a friend yesterday and she said such-and-such" for a male friend, and so on.
Slavic languages notoriously have gender for every object. In russian "friend" have two variants, one for male gender, one for female. Same at least with Ukrainian and Serbian. So when I translate sentence to English (which only have one word for "friend") I subconsciously use default word + she/he to empathize gender.
It's annoying habit, cause when I say or refer to "user" for example, I always assume it's "he/him".
Guess same for your colleagues.
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I think it's the case with most Slavic languages. My wife's native tongue is Serbian, and knowinf when and how to use articles was one the hardest parts of learning English for her.
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Dude, I'm trying to learn German and those goddamn articles are so infuriating. I wonder how difficult it would be for there to be a linguistic reform to make it simpler
Quite the statement for an English comment. English spelling is nonsensical and in desperate need of a major reform. RobWords even made the case for using runes again as it would probably fix a lot of issues already. The language simply isn't made for Latin letters.
But I don't want to make this a sole whataboutism comment. Each language poses it's own challenges. I will say that changing how roughly 100 million speak is easier said than done and would destroy a lot of culture. It would be much easier to force everyone to speak a different language entirely.
Personally I don't think it should or could be done at all. Unlike a spelling reform that English needs desperately and German had plenty of recently. There is nothing wrong with a language being complicated but there's plenty wrong with arbitrary spelling if you ask me.
My native language isn't English in case you were assuming that. I mention it because my native language has gone through a reform for the reasons of simplification. English may be shit, but it was much much easier to learn than the hell I am going through with German. Even Japanese, which I touched for a few years wasn't nearly as bad. The point of languages it to be simple and efficient, and they should evolve to that goal eventually.
The point of languages it to be simple and efficient, and they should evolve to that goal eventually.
That's one hell of an assumption to bring to the table. There is no point to language, no end goal towards which they must, or even should evolve. They're a natural creation of humans to facilitate communication, but coming from human beings, they're naturally quite irregular and odd, at times.
I mean, I get it that German isn't a cakewalk to pick up, but you're also complaining about the unreasonable complexity in one of the less morphologically complex European languages. Take a gander at Polish, Icelandic, Basque, or Finnish, and German will probably seem quite charming and quaint with its handful of cases and corresponding forms of the articles.
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My native language isn’t English in case you were assuming that.
I wasn't assuming that, don't worry. That's why I phrased my message like that.
I guess I agree to disagree here. Language is an expression of culture and heritage too. I would never speak German differently now just because of a reform. Neither would 99% of German speakers I assume. Yet we freely integrate English words into our language because it feels natural. These English words often come and go anyway so I'm not actually concerned the German language will become deluded from Internet lingo or anything.
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Wait till you hear about Chinese measure words. Check out that table.
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Lithuanian: ""
Czech is even worse than German.
Elaborate.
I thought there wasn't a word for "the".
Never mind. I didnt realize it was for "the". You're correct, there is no "the" in Czech. I saw the German part and i was triggered by Czech cases (7 of them).
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Latin is also the cat
I think this is the first time I've seen this meme format with more than two panels.
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Ōlelo Hawaiʻi: ke / ka
Depending on the first letter of the next word.
Let's add dialects to the mess:
While not written in "book" German*, colloquial German may feature des, dat, det or dit instead of das, shorten der to dr or elide parts (like the French l', except it may be attached to the previous word): Das ist das Problem mit der deutschen Sprache -> Des isch's Problem mit dr deutscha Sproach
("That is the problem with the German language." Bonus: notice how the demonstrative pronoun "that" is also
das? Just in case you were hoping it was restricted to "the"...)
* Hochdeutsch or Standarddeutsch ("High German" or "Standard German"), originally a written form slowly evolved over centuries to be most widely understood and has since been formalised. Informally, the term is also used for a spoken counterpart properly called Bühnendeutsch ("Stage German"), which isn't always quite as "pure", hence my distinction.
I bloody love my language.
We don't have an equivalent of a/an/the in lithuanian either =w= but we do have definite adjective forms, which is kind of like saying the, so there's that
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