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[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (4 children)

People are just going to get sick of the Internet, if they haven't already, and start to look at it like a necessary evil they have to use to do certain things instead of what it once was which was fun and exciting. It's sad.

A much larger segment of people than you think are already off. You just don't hear about them, because, well, they aren't online. Lmao

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Yep. The internet is becoming what a mailbox in real life is. An abused gateway that has a narrow set of legitimate uses.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We will have private mesh nets

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

Overlay networks are also feasable.

[–] kupojoe@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

funded by whom? (legitimate question)

[–] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Currently private users and enthusiasts. As networks grow, there will probably be universities joining. Eventually corporations will start marketing plug and play equipment while selling access to server space and long distance connections. Other businesses will join and finance their services by selling subscriptions, advertising, and user data. Various government agencies will add hardware they can also use to track traffic. Someone will inevitably bring in bots, AI models, and internet connected devices. After that someone will coin the term “dead mesh network theory” and all the nerdlings will start developing the next knitted network or something.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 5 days ago

The catalyst there is businesses (and to a degree governments).

I used to pay attention to my physical mail. Then it was all "junk mail" and the signal-to-noise ratio got hard to manage.

I migrated the important stuff to "electronic mail", where I had a curated list of people and entities that sent me items, so I could focus on things that were important. Then my address/mailbox became common knowledge and that filled with "spam".

I started using SMS/text for the important stuff. But that also became a common place to send me stuff I didn't care about, so I used specific apps on my phone that had permission to notify me when something needed attention, and now my phone gives me so many notifications I just ignore them all.

Our attention is the prize, and it won't matter where our attention goes: The businesses will follow.

The same will hold true for connectivity. If the current internet becomes a wasteland and we migrate to Mesh, then it's only a matter of time before corporate interests take that over too; then knitted, or fabric, or the glob.

The solution will be protections for personal identity and privacy, which have been and will be fought tooth-and-nail by the companies because they want that info so they can be where our attention is so they can make profit. I think we can also fight the profit motive, but that'll be harder than getting protections in law... so small steps.

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[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bots don't generate money you dough brains.

[–] tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago (3 children)

why focus on money? what about culture, humanity, and actual interesting interaction between humans?

ah, I forgot humanity have devolved into beings of statistics. Leaving feelings, positive long term planning, and religion behind.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 days ago

If only that last one was true.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

Bots don't do that either.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I believe it is an attempt to use an argument that they will care about. You could write a brilliant piece about how that many bots hurt culture and society but if the ones you want to convince don't gaf about either of those, they probably won't even read what you have to say, let alone change anything because of it.

Or, more likely, they won't even see anything here, at which point that comment becomes more of a "they aren't even very good at what they want to be good at".

Like from my pov, the top of the corporate world doesn't just not care about those things but is actively trying to destroy them because they think they'll do better in a world where none of those things are as they currently are.

[–] grahamja@reddthat.com 26 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Guess I'll just have to hang out with humans in the physical world.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago

You won't be able to tell which of your neighbours was replaced by a metal mimic, and got shipped off to the Soylent factory.

Peter Thiel did mention humans will end up like horses, going to the glue factory.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Well, if you were a billionaire who owned AI system trained to influence and extract money from humans, and there's no humans online, what would you do?

And so that brings us to how robots actually will become a reality...

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We'll just destroy the environment and privatize the land that isn't.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 5 days ago

In the early 1900s the Collier family made themselves a big pile of money and bought what later became Collier County, Florida. Pretty much all of it was privately owned by them, along with a collection of every type of Porsche ever made and a bunch of other "gee, what can I do with ALL this money" activities... Property taxes encouraged them to sell the land off and now what once was a private family "farm" about 100 years ago is now home to over 400,000 people.

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[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm looking forward to an open mesh outside the realm of government and corporate control

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Their was a video about how to start building something like that, I'll edit this with a link once I get back home from work.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I want the bots to start scamming each other now.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You should watch Kitboga’s scam bots handle scammers; it’s gravy.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

One of the very rare moments of AI being used completely for good.

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Hope these bots are paying customers, then.

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[–] TransNeko@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

already there mate.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

World governments will be delighted to find that they've driven their populations off of the internet. As much as they'll hate being engaged in 24/7 automated cyber warfare to stop their power plants exploding.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No. Governments love the internet. It keeps people distracted.

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[–] Marija_@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bowkys need humans, but humans don't need Bowkys.

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[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean of course, how many pedestrians are on roads versus cars? Used to be lots of people walking on roads until cars were invented.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I had a realization recently that with driverless cars becoming more common that one day I'm going to be stuck in traffic surrounded by dozens of other cars that are completely empty. They'll just be going to pick up a human driver somewhere or going to park and no one will care because instead of eliminating traffic we'll just ensure humans are entertained while stuck in it.

Why bother to fix traffic congestion if you can just play PlayStation the whole time or whatever?

[–] percent@infosec.pub 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

If most cars are autonomous, and capable of coordinating with each other (via mesh network, for example), then traffic congestion might become much easier to ~~prevent~~ reduce and ~~solve~~ mitigate. (Edit: Based on responses, I may have chosen my words poorly)

You're probably not wrong though. I imagine it'll get worse before it gets better.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 4 points 6 days ago

Traffic congestion will always be a thing. The real world is too unpredictable. You can't pack a highway full of cars and expect them to drive highway speeds. One animal jumping on the road and you'll have a massive accident because nobody can avoid anyone

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Traffic congestion doesn't happen because of lack of coordination. Coordination prevents collisions. Our success rate could be a lot better but the system does pretty well with coordination limited to blinking lights, a noise that says "fuck off", the mutual knowledge that we all got the same training and the private knowledge that everyone else on the road is a suicidal idiot who slept through the training.

Congestion is a physical property of the road network. There's a physical limit to the number of cars you can push through a road in a given time period. Drive the cars too fast and they fly off the road when it bends, or cars slam into each other when a deer tries to commit suicide.

Traffic is well modeled as an incompressible slightly non-newtownian fluid, like runny oobleck. If you apply more pressure/increase vehicle volume the fluid starts to bind up as it becomes harder for the cars to maneuver without collision, regardless of coordination.

You reduce traffic by taking cars off the road, or scheduling utilization. Self driving cars won't help, and we can do both of those without them. Long term they're likely to make collisions worse because humans don't know what they're going to do, so the primary mode we have of coordination, "the theory of mind" will break down. Right now they're so uncommon that you assume any car is a human who reacts and prioritizes like you.

Tear down the freeways and replace them with trains.

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[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't believe we will ever get coordinated autonomous vehicles. You will never be able to absolutely trust the information you are getting, whether it's because wireless sucks, auto manufacturers couldn't agree to or properly implement a universal standard, software bugs, or malicious behavior. If we want it to be safe, then the cars will have to drive cautiously and be prepared for behavior that was not properly communicated. This will not be a form of driving that is fundamentally different to what we have now.

And even if you could implement perfect coordination between autonomous vehicles, how would you be able to take advantage of it in the real world? Ban all human drivers? What about pedestrians and bikes? You still need crossings and traffic lights for an area to be livable by humans. You still need to drive slowly next to a pavement where someone could eg trip and fall onto the road.

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[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like something a bot would say

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