Yes? Completing objectives in the order I feel like at the time can absolutely be a better experience than a forced sequence of objectives that are misaligned with how I feel at the moment.
Breath of the wild and jet island were able to create this feeling of curiosity where I'd go "huh, that think in the distance looks cool, let's check it out!" and then, as I was checking it out, it turned out it is relevant to story and progression and also very cool.
You must described the very reason why I don't like BotW/TotK. They don't feel like Zelda. They feel like a Bethesda/Obsidian game where you just wander around bumping into things, except Nintendo doesn't do it nearly as well.
I say either go all in on the open world concept, and have proper RPG mechanics, or don't do it at all. Don't half ass it or I'm just reminded of Ubisoft titles. That's what the modern Zelda games feel like, fucking Ubisoft titles. Big, empty worlds, with nothing to do. Shrines instead of proper dungeons, and no fun to be found in between except wander forever and pick up flimsy weapons that break after a dozen hits. The games barely even have a plot. That's not Zelda to me. I want more games like Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and Minish Cap, not more boring open world BS.
I agree with you on BotW - but you're wrong a about TotK being empty with nothing to do.
I bounced off breath of the wild but got hooked with tears of the kingdom. I didn't finish it though, similar to my experience with wind waker. They all felt like Zelda, just expanded.
If I stuck to the story it would probably be closer to the original experience.
Minecraft made a bajillion dollars.
Open world plus mods. Ever heard of Skyrim?
The Witcher 3. Linear as hell story, super fun open world. It was literally gwent simulator for me by the time I finished that game.
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I'll just mention Star Citizen and fetch the popcorn.
Star Citizen forgot the 'game' part.
I have a cheap, early ship there from the Kickstarter. Never been flown.
I pretty much always prefer open world, or at least something interconnected like a Metroidvania. Linear makes me feel like my back is against the wall.
You missed a collectable 4 missions ago? I guess I'll see you in New Game+
Elden Ring did it very well.
I’ll have to agree with this statement.
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Death Stranding / Elden Ring cross over?
count me in.
I’ll try to bribe Kojima with exclusive Malenia ~~feet~~ foot pics, understood!
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eh, too many repeated bosses
I would definitely say Gothic 1 and 2. Cannot imagine the games being better without it.
Open world =/= giant map
Take resident evil games, Control, Batman. Some larger maps than others, but the key is open. Most of the map or level is available to you to explore how you like, with a linear story guiding you through as well, and then progression opens smaller locked areas and new levels.
Had to explain this to a friend when I called the original Deus Ex titles "open world" games. (It's technically semi-open world but, meh, nuances)
It's 100% Open World I'd argue. It was just ahead of it's time
Yes. Many. Stop playing Ubisoft checklist simulators.
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I play Fallout 4 like Sims with guns.
Also, mods.
Star Wars Galaxy's was a great open world game.
Not much. Open-world is often a design for a looooot of space without intention. It used to be a technical prowess, but now it's mostly for bland chores simulators. Generic open-worlds and mobile games have hurt game design a lot, especially in the 2010's, but IMHO, Fromsoft has saved us from that by creating a semi-open, interconnected world design that felt vast and intentional. Elden Ring was their first modern open-world and they nailed it with all that Souls experience.
Generally, good open world games have a lot more emergent content - situations that emerge from the interaction of agents and simple mechanics (in the style of how simple rules create complex outcomes in the "Game of Life") - whilst good linear games have highly curated set-pieces scenarios which were created by level designers directly.
For an example of the former, imagine you're running around the Game World looking for a special kind of plant to create a potion that you need. You come across a battle between bears and a bandit group. When they die their drops are free for the taking and both groups are too high level for you to take on your own. None of this was setup to happen when you crossed some trigger line, it literally just happened because those the entities in those groups are part of enemy "factions" and the patrol route of one group (a route which might itself be procedural rather than fixed) passed near enough the position of the encampment of the other.
This kind of thing randomly happen is just not something you get in linear games which are generally just set-pieces and even the ability to pull on group of high level enemies to another group has to be designed in (mainly by making the restricted game area big enough for it in that section and placing the groups in the right places).
This is also why in a linear game if you die and restart you get the same fights in the same places you had before up to the place were you died unless that section of the game was designed with enough alternate paths of mechanics (say, hide mechanics) that you can go around and avoid certain fights.
Emergent content is also why Multiplayer can be a lot of fun, though in this case the "agent" whose interactions can give rise to all sorts of situations are other players.
Emergent content is what I liked about loading a ton of Skyrim mods. Too bad it was also crashy as hell.
I'd like to start a new game but since I'm Linux only these days it makes it harder.
Oh hell yes.
I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn Complete (it includes the DLC) and as soon as I got to Daytower, I ran into a guy named Ohtur who mentioned The Cut.. I pivoted and headed up there and by sneaking around everything with higher stats than I had, (which was almost everything) I managed to find resources that got me a wickedly powerful weapon. Game changer. Literally.
Getting to any part of the map and find it's hidden goodies is amazing.
Being able to fuck around can be fun. A linear Elder Scrolls (morrowind, oblivion, skyrim) would be boring
OTOH, just drifting along the map and running into a total stranger who feels perfectly safe in trusting you to escort his daughter or something is kinda meh.
I like open-world, but procedural anything, not so much.
GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas. Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 (yes), New Vegas. Elden Ring. Subnautica.
Try making San Andreas linear and you would instantly destroy one of the best games ever made.
On the other hand later GTAs didn't embrace the open worlds for which the series is known. Once you start a mission the games turn extremely linear without giving the player options.
Very true! I remember in GTA3, some missions could be done in different ways, if you already knew what would happen.
The benefit is the experience. The difference in experiences comes down to the level design. Are you in a maze or in a field?
The best game designs masks this in both scenarios.
The well designed linear game doesn't always feel like a maze, and has sections that feel like fields between mazes.
The well designed open world game contains mazes that you discover in a field that feels roped off into clearly defined sections that differ from each other and contain large landmarks to orient and draw you in.
Both feel bad if they don't include (at least the illusion of) the other. A linear game is boring without any choice. An open world game is boring without linear moments.
The problem is not "open world" but "the ubisoft game". New region, find watchtower, reveal map, do 1 quest, attack enemy camp, liberate area, new area, find watchtower, ...
Most open worlds are also just way to big. GTA San Andreas felt huge but is tiny compared to V. And it was better for it. Modern open worlds never have a hub. A place that you actually build a relationship with and see change over the course of the game. Its always: area completed, next!
I dont think Minecraft would do too well being linear.
When progression is properly controlled such as in fallout: new vegas or hollow knight, then a larger map can do wonders
I like a game world that's just fun to be in even when I'm not advancing the story. Taking a break to explore is awesome, and much easier in an open world.
This is what witcher 3 did best imo.
It's open world, and it feels large... But it's not actually that large when you think about it.
And the side areas are so rich and dense that you can do quests from a random hub, some that chain on for quite a while... And then realise this whole time that you haven't actually done any of the main story.
I was excited to learn more about certain monsters in the bestiary, what oils and elements they were weak to etc.
Spider-Man for the PS4 had fast travel via subway, by why would you miss out on web-slinging your way from one end of Manhattan to the other?
I think elden ring probably couldn't be told in a smaller scale level design.
You hear about massive spanning battlefields, wars with gods, etc. Could not be correctly portrayed with a more compact level design. And the vistas are gorgeous.
Open worlds benefit the game when exploration is the point.
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