Why Hierarchy Actually Rewards The Worst Among Us (lemmy.nz)

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A clip from this livestream: youtube.com/live/Q6c3pXG62K4

It's often said that hierarchy is necessary because humans are selfish and greedy. But is that really the case? Hierarchy creates a system where the worst actors are given the easiest path to power.

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[-] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago

AMONG US?!!!!??!?

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Lizard looks kinda sussy here

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Proving it is irrelevant, the point is to change it.

[-] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Have to name it to tame it

[-] Souvenir@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Cunts are still running the world.

[-] phil@lemmy.openitco.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

[-] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

i think selectoral theory would be more fitting here

[+] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 weeks ago

No such thing as the absence of hierarchy. Removing explicit hierarchies simply creates implicit ones, which actually tend to elevate worse people than explicit hierarchies.

The Tyranny of Stuctureless https://share.google/SVXexcnipMwEed6pr

Research Reveals Pervasive Implicit Hierarchies for Race, Religion, and Age – Association for Psychological Science – APS https://share.google/mLKLVtIqyxcRXuEj5

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

The Tyranny of Stuctureless https://share.google/SVXexcnipMwEed6pr

I think thats a grave misreading of this text when you have it as a source for "Removing explicit hierarchies simply creates implicit ones".

Its a call out for groups that do not give themselves clear structures, roles, processes for decision making etc which can result in implicit hierarchies, especiallg long term. Bringing "structure" into those groups or building up groups from the ground up with horizontal structures are ways take on these issues.

[-] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 weeks ago

No, those are ways to make sure your "horizontal structures" are dominated by the most charismatic Neurotypicals in the room at all times, to the detriment of anyone else.

[-] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Could you maybe explain how you come to this opinion? Because its hard to follow for me

[-] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Observation of the social dynamics described in the links above as they apply to any social group anywhere.

Humans are Apes. Every troop of Apes has a leader, and further stratification below that. Humans are no different. If there isn't a structure (deference to elders, to the smartest, etc) pushing for a different outcome, the dominant ape in a human troop is generally the most charismatic individual, with the strata below that generally determined by similarity or proximity to the leader. In any group larger than a handful, the most charismatic will almost certainly be Neurotypical.

[-] tangentism@beehaw.org 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Humans are closer to bonobos and they are a matriarchal based social group

[-] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bonobos are apes, and a matriarchal leader of a troop is still a leader, so I'm not sure what this is meant to say in response to what I wrote?

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