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We don't know how pterosaurs evolved powered flight. The most primitive, probable, ancestor of pterosaurs had a bodyplan closer to that of a kangaroo. And the earliest pterosaurs like Preondactylus or Eudimorphodon were already fully capable of flight.

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[-] NedRyerson@lemmy.ml 4 points 18 hours ago

When I read "powered flight" I imagine them with little outboard motors and propellers

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sometimes it's easy to forget just how rare fossilization is.

It requires that the species live in a climate with pretty specific conditions, to die under a few very specific circumstances, at a particular convergence of atypical events. The dino bones we have represent a tiny little fraction of the species that lived.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

Plus fossils can form, emerge, and erode away before humans even evolved, thus removing our chances of knowing about species that DID have a chance to fossilize, all because bad luck said the geology between now and then would fuck our knowledge over.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

I have a couple of fossils round the house and it's so incredible to behold a creature that lived millions of years ago.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 11 points 1 day ago
[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Pfft - they’re all over the place!

[-] GreatRam@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Why wouldn't it be gliding -> flapping -> liftoff?

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

No reason it wouldn't be. Ground up vs tree down is more about if controlling a jump or a fall comes before the gliding.

Personally I see the researchers who place bat locomotion as most analogous to how pterosaurs would've moved, and then further reason that our evidence points more towards bats being tree down (but we're STILL not sure on that one because everything that flys evolves too fuckin fast) and that would also mean pterosaurs are PROBABLY also a tree down evolutionary path.

Of course, I'm not a scientist with any sort of official opinions, but I also feel like your babies surviving a fall from a canopy by gliding would have more evolutionary weight and result in the super fast adaptation towards flight than controlling jumps.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

No evidence if the intermediate species. It makes sense, but without evidence, it's just conjecture.

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

And with gaps in fossil record that last for millions of years, who knows whether we will ever figure out the pathway to flight.

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