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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by WorkingPie@feddit.online to c/linux@programming.dev

Been a long time Debian user but with the recent AI decision I am planning on moving on so anyone have an anti-AI recommendations? I understand its being used in the kernel as well but are there any distros taking a full anti-AI approach to the parts of the code they control?

Since folks seem a little confused on what I am referring to here is the mailing list page regarding the use of gen ai without disclosure vote: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2026/08/msg00360.html

Phoronix article on it: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-Votes-Responsible-AI-Use

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 55 points 1 month ago

I'd say wait and see what they actually do. People are super trigger happy with shitstorms these days. But maybe wait for them to actually do something bad?!

[-] WorkingPie@feddit.online 65 points 1 month ago

LLMs were created with the mass theft of others work by corporations that are now reselling that same information while making billions off it. Thats enough for me to want to step back from any project utilizing these tools.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 22 points 1 month ago

making billions off it

Lol, no its all circular investing and will soon fail to prop itself up. Then all that stolen work gets sent to open weights for everyone to use. Still not the best, but you can't close Pandora's box.

[-] jlow@slrpnk.net 37 points 1 month ago

Just like with every financial crisis, when the bubble bursts they will get absurd amounts of money to save their unethical shite companies with money from all of us (through taxes). The rich only ever get richer.

[-] amd@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

When the bubble bursts, do you think Altman and Amodei won’t be richer than when they started?

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The 2008 financial crisis was the largest upwards transfer of wealth in US history. There are people who still haven't financially recovered what they lost to this day, but the US economy had regained more than it lost within 2 years. It's just that 90% of it went to those who lost the least.

With AI being forced into general stocks and federal bailouts practically guaranteed, it's going to be the exact same scenario. The AI companies will be "too big to fail" and we'll all be footing the bill.

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah. But my point is: They're not utilizing those tools. At least not yet.

Looking back at my Linux experience, I have a lot of trust in the Debian community. Including to do the right thing. Even if it's difficult. They don't always get everything right. But they're pretty alright. I wouldn't just throw it all in the bin because of some hypotheticals. And democracy isn't easy. We judge people by what they do. (At least I do.)

[-] WorkingPie@feddit.online 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I understand they may not be utilizing them yet, but the vote was approval of the tools without disclosure. So this isn't hypothetical, they are going to begin using them and therefore it makes sense for those with concerns regarding the technology to start looking for alternatives. It doesn't require them to start adding AI chat bots to Debian or anything like that for me to make this move. The tool itself is the problem.

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[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's this list of distros that actively reject AI/LLM contributions.

There's also this list with a few more not listed in the first.

Also found that AntiX rejects AI usage based on a conversation about it in their forum, but they are based on Debian, so...

[-] WorkingPie@feddit.online 12 points 1 month ago

Appreciate the list! Definitely going to be grabbing as many programs who actively reject AI as I can. Gotta support those who are keeping up the good fight! Thanks again ProdigalFrog!

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Maybe this is the push you need to . . . Yes, maybe it’s time for . . . FreeBSD.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

[-] WorkingPie@feddit.online 14 points 1 month ago

I've been tempted to give it a go a few times. Mainly for fun tbh. Appreciate the recommendation!

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I had another look and I think it's basically down to Gentoo. If you're in for the BSDs, you got NetBSD as well. And OpenBSD seems to be anti AI-contributions as well. I didn't really find anything else with a strict No-AI policy.

[-] WorkingPie@feddit.online 11 points 1 month ago

I'll take a look at them! AerynOS seems to be the primarily distro I have found with a no AI policy but sadly its atomic. Thanks for the recommendations!

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[-] kbal@fedia.io 17 points 1 month ago

Damn it I was just asking myself the same question. I don't expect it to be easy to find one that's anywhere near as good as Debian but without that one problem. I think a lot of them won't have any firm policies yet.

[-] simpolomeo@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago

Arch, Void, Gentoo, Chimera and Aeryn all have anti-AI policies.

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[-] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I believe Fedora requires disclosure on the use of LLMs in contributions, and that fully generated submissions are not allowed, so slightly better than Debian in this respect (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/council/policy/ai-contribution-policy/)

Linux Mint is always a nice option, but I can't find an LLM policy for them, but given that they are removing snaps and other Ubuntu bits that nobody likes by default, I would imagine they are more resistant on LLM contributions. They don't have a policy set in place for this though.

Arch Linux (and derivatives, I currently use EndeavourOS but many like CachyOS too!) are awesome too if you are alright with rolling release. Again, no LLM policy I can find (I didn't look very hard though, I have better things to do), but I imagine they would be more resistant to it.

I am moving to Piefed at scallisto@retrofed.com (https://retrofed.com/u/scallisto)

[-] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago

Mint is still downstream of Debian though, which will make them taking a stance against it pretty tough.

[-] nykula@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gentoo, postmarketOS, GNU Guix, Chimera Linux? Not seeing myself abandoning Debian because of that decision though.

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[-] unbuckled_easily933@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago
[-] Celediel@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[-] FedX@quokk.au 13 points 1 month ago

Surprisingly only been mentioned once, but Chimera! It's weird and strange and brilliant!

If you want something slightly more normal (well, actually, it's not any more normal, just more common), then you can get PostmarketOS installed on anything if you go outside the documentation a little (it's really not hard, pmbootstrap is quite a good utility). If you take that route, I recommend OpenRC as not only is PMOS anti-AI, but so is OpenRC!

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[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago

i wouldn't say they're "embracing AI" or 'sloppified'.. but anyway.

i think slackware isn't using llm stuff for development. it's my daily/fav distro. but it's quite different from debian.

[-] bring-april-plenty@kbin.earth 11 points 1 month ago

Gentoo, but I think this isn't the end of the world that you think. I don't like AI but as others said, think Debian will do something at least reasonable. Also, I think there is a distinction between LLMs/AI and the crap companies like OpenAI, Microsoft, etc.

be mad but at the right thing

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