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Determinants of electric vehicle emissions savings and costs across locations and individuals Marco Miotti and Jessika E Trancik*

Following is in video description by @MoneyShift

The most common argument against electric cars is that once you factor in battery manufacturing and lithium mining, they aren't actually cleaner. MIT tested that directly, and the answer is no longer ambiguous.

Researchers Marco Miotti and Jessika Trancik built a lifecycle model covering thousands of US zip codes, drilling down to individual driver behavior rather than comparing broad regions. They accounted for battery and vehicle manufacturing, fuel extraction and refining, regional electricity mix, local meteorological data, traffic density, trip length and duration, acceleration patterns, gas and electricity prices, and state fees. The study appears in Environmental Research Letters.

The concession first: building a battery is dirtier than building a comparable gas car, and an EV starts life with a larger manufacturing footprint. MIT states that plainly rather than working around it.

The findings: in most US locations, a battery electric vehicle reduces lifetime greenhouse gas emissions by 40 to 60 percent compared to a similar gas vehicle, with larger reductions in urban areas. On cold weather, MIT found that in a climate like North Dakota, efficiency can drop as much as 50 percent on a particularly frigid night, but the effect on annual emissions benefits is minimal. Miotti's own conclusion was that even in the most unfavorable conditions, EVs still reduce emissions substantially.

On cost, EVs are competitive with comparable combustion vehicles in lifetime ownership cost across most of the country, even without clean vehicle tax credits. Where electricity is relatively affordable, battery electrics tend to cost less outright. The study also found that individual driving behavior matters roughly as much as regional electricity mix, with the biggest reductions going to people who drive more, drive larger vehicles, and spend more time in traffic.

MIT also updated their public tool at carboncounter.com, where you can compare lifecycle emissions and ownership costs for nearly any car on the market.

None of this means you have to like electric cars. Dislike the steering feel. Dislike the brake feel. Want a manual. Those are real objections. The emissions one is finished.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

When sodium batteries become the norm, lithium mining won't be a factor and the picture will improve even more.

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 hour ago

Another reason why I've been hesitant to be an early adopter. Clearly this tech hasn't matured yet.

It's such a catch-22. Do I want a car that goes 1000km on one charge? Or do I want to be limited to200km at a time but without some AI gooning at me 24/7.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'd say you missed the "early adopter" period by like a decade. I've owned a Nissan Leaf since 2013, recently upgraded to a used 2023 Kia Niro. The Niro goes almost 300 miles, which is farther than almost any of our trips, and I don't feel like AI is "gooning" at me, whatever that even means. It comes down to either you want to quit burning gas or you don't.

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I've owned a Nissan Leaf since 2013

I don't feel like AI is "gooning" at me, whatever that even means.

Honestly based on the severity of this incongruency in thought, I'm gonna have to remove you from my lemmy experience.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

aw, OP is a dweeb who's upset that people can't follow his incoherent garbage.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago

If the world governments were actually serious about carbon emissions and transitioning to EV, they would bring in standardization laws on EV designs. It's currently a fragmented mess. Tesla casts their frames around a battery, making both replacement and frame repair impossible. We need to start with one standardized battery pack that is easy to replace. This would keep cars on roads 20+ years.

[-] TBi@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Also locking down replacement parts to only dealer installs needs to be banned.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Tesla doesn't even have standardized parts in their model lines. That's why body panels are so expensive.

[-] TR3@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Hear hear!

Standardisation is drastically needed. It is crazy that currently the battery change can be more expensive than the whole car that is still in good condition otherwise.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

If the world governments were actually serious about carbon emissions and transitioning to EV, they would bring in standardization laws on EV designs.

That's why I'm an advocate for a world government.

[-] dudesss@piefed.ca 12 points 15 hours ago
[-] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 hours ago

Now my regular bike! Mostly because UK laws are dumb and limit ebikes to such a low speed that its pointless for me to get a legal one.

[-] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Some people have families.... maybe a dog, maybe they need to move things around. Some people! Not all people, and e bikes are great, but not an everything solution.

More cities, more transit, more low carbon personal transit sure, but I don't think it's helpful to treat everyone like a homoegeonous mass of factory outputed needs and wants.

Like a lot of problems, this needs to be tackled from multiple directions

[-] dudesss@piefed.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

OK, now what's your argument for E-Bikes?

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

E-bikes have one more "e" than they need.

[-] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Some people want to ride alone through city streets, efficiently, the breeze in their hair, a pet squirrel named Thomas atop their shoulder, who laughs in it's way at the dreary drivers in the next lane, cacooned in their steel cages with their stale air. That's not all people though.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago
[-] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 6 hours ago

If it's a diesel bus the ebike is better for sure. Even the ev might be better, depending on a bunch of factors.

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