Just a reminder that Canadian ownership of Bombardier's rail assets were lost because of the previous Trump administration sabotaging the C-Series on behalf of Boeing. We lost ownership of most of the C-Series program to the europeans likewise.
Then the same government still bought into the F-35 project as an appeasement, only to withdraw 10 years later.
I really hope the lesson was learned.
I hope the service improves along with the new hardware. I took a VIA rail train from Manitoba to Saskatchewan for what I wanted to be a day or two. I had to be in Saskatchewan for over 6 days just to get a VIA rail train back to Manitoba. When I was a lad in the 70's they used to run daily. It should be a service, just like the post office. Not yet another profit center. We have to stop thinking like american businessmen. Besides all that though...Go Canada!
Oh what I’d do to have a nice and efficient train from Montreal to Vancouver. I’d take it instead of the plane for sure!
Unfortunately the fastest passenger train currently available on the planet would still take roughly 6 hours to get from Montreal to Vancouver in basically a straight line so probably double or even triple that for a more realistic number with all the corners and ups and downs. We probably won't be making the fastest train on earth so it would likely still be a 20+ ride from Montreal to Vancouver in the best case scenario.
Try 2 days and 19 hrs. That's assuming the train could maintain 600km/h going through the Rockies, which is highly unlikely.
It would be a very comfortable ride though. It's already more comforable than airplanes, and I was stuck behind freight trains most of the way.
Isn't it a lack of rails that's the problem, not a lack of rail cars? Passenger trains have to give way to cargo trains, and dedicated tracks are the solution.
it's both.
Via is a shit service. yes, please charge me $200 for a 10 hour trip during which I will be knocking knees and playing footsie with the person across from me, with less space than an airplane seat has. I can't wait for the privilege
nah dude I'll just drive for the same cost, less time, more flexibility, and more cargo capacity
Isn't it a lack of rails that's the problem, not a lack of rail cars?
Thats one issue. This announcement addresses a different issue.
The current VIA long-haul fleet is 70 year old equipment. It's getting increasingly expensive to maintain, and if it isn't replaced it will become almost impossible to keep them safely operating.
It's just as much who owns the rails. In Vancouver we have a commuter rail service that runs on lines owned by the freight companies. So sometimes people have to watch as they wait in a siding while stuff goes by first.
I think freight priority over passenger is the perfect analogy for where we find ourselves today; the systems are wholly subservient to capital
This is the overall issue with Via rail (and interestingly enough, Amtrak). Canada theoretically mandates that passenger rail traffic has priority for rail segments under contention, and freight must sit on the siding. This is by statute. However, rail companies often/always say "lol fuck off" and go anyways, arguing either the train length exceeds the siding length or essentially "we're already here".
The result is Via rail (and Amtrak) service is literally always late, almost always because of freight traffic. Until they actually start enforcing passenger rail priority (or building dedicated passenger rail lines like adult countries) I don't see how rail transit can possibly become viable in North America.
Yeah same in the Maritimes. Going from Halifax to Montréal, aside from the expense, is brutally slow along one track in New Brunswick because CN haven't maintained the tracks. Because they don't move freight anymore, from what I understand.
Ideally this is just one of several rail related initiatives and we have more announcements coming.
Hopefully we'll start prioritizing Passenger Cars over freight like the rest of the world
We will be building a new high speed rail from Quebec to Toronto so passenger rail will finally be separate from freight rail. Finally drag our asses out of the 1800’s.
And PQ (Québec) are poised to shiv it if elected:
Support is dropping. I expect a minority.
The amount of money planned for that could probably cover twinning a much larger amount of existing track, with less environmental impact.
Why just twin the line and still have something designed in the 1800’s. Canadians are so damn cheap to do anything properly.
Twinning is a more cost-effective way to have passenger rail separated from freight, and it could make rail travel more practical for a larger part of the country than just that one corridor the high speed rail plan covers. A new route over new land is so much worse for the environment.
Twinning is a more cost-effective way to have passenger rail separated from freight
Sure, but if you want actual high-speed passenger rail, the track needs to be straight and level.
The current freight tracks are as level as possible, but to achieve that, they follow the terrain, leading to some very twisty lines that require lower speeds.
Simply twinning those won't get near as much of an improvement for passenger rail as is needed.
It would be dumb to put in new lines and not make them high speed. We are so far behind the rest of the world it’s shocking. Not sure if you travel the world at all, but when you see what is available in other countries, you realize how embarrassing our country is in that regard. It would not be worth it to just put in more low speed rail lines, kinda pointless IMHO.
For anyone interested, this video give a good overview of some of the issues.
We can all enjoy the new cars whilst sitting waiting for another train to pass.
Canada could also benefit from a shinkansen line or two. With population centers mostly along a straight line in the south, it would allow for rapid transit between major cities on dedicated passenger rail.
You mean like Alto?
Essentially (assuming that project moves forward) but the shinkansen lines in Japan have higher speeds than that.
Freight right-of-way ownership is also a problem, but the car set they are replacing/adding to is 75+ years old, they are sturdy and reliable, but having more cars means that they could increase service beyond 3 trips a week on these routes. At the moment, occasional breakdowns and maintenance periods mean they face long distance equipment shortages sometimes.
I assume this is primarily for the GTA commuter rail where that's less(?) of an issue.
But in any case, the VIA rolling stock is pretty old, AFAIK.
Everything VIA is run down. But yeah the rail is the biggest issue and probably more expensive.
I for one am positively shocked at this development.
If they do passenger priority, that'll send me to the ER.
Via did add new rail cars on Montreal Toronto route about 2-3 years ago. Lighting is ridiculously bright and can't be turned down. No obvious improvements.
Restore the glory days of Via Rail. We need to save resources when the American embargo hits.
Where are these cars going to be used? Ontario and Quebec only?
Hopefully this spurs more rail in the rest of the country.
I was just watching city talk yesterday about Switzerland's rail network and how interconnect it is.
What shocked me the most was this overlay of Switzerland over Quebec and how inexistent rail is Canada.
Worth a watch for anyone interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpSSkkpTrY
Map of the rail network not including buses or light rail, meanwhile we in Canada are debating if high-speed rail should exist between Quebec and Montreal.
Half of the country lives in a straight line between windsor and quebec city, so it would be a great start to improve rail there first (even if it feels unfair to the rest of the country)..
Even just toronto to montreal would be a great place to start in terms of bringing canada in line with other developed nations
Yeah, yeah. Ontario first and everywhere else, never.
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