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submitted 1 week ago by yxc999@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

As the title and the website say, I'm currently making a distro with the goal that you don't have to compromise between ease of use + safety and bleeding-edge + performance optimizations.

As I will likely be able to publish the 0.0.1 source code to the GitHub link and the ISO to the website sometime next week, I would like people to be aware of my project so I can have some feedback for further improvements when I release the first version. I have not posted this anywhere else yet, as I value the opinion of this community more than Reddit or whatever.

If you have any questions or any criticism, please voice it, I would love to hear it, good or bad, in the end I want to make a proper OS. (I'll go to bed now so expect replies to take a few hours from posting.)

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[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

maybe this is useful for your project https://aerynos.com/tooling/moss/

[-] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 6 days ago

I have no idea what people keep talking about when they say Arch/CachyOS is "unstable". I have had so many more issues with running Debian (usually on servers) over the years. Since I swapped my desktop to CachyOS over a year ago, I have basically no issues at all. Just one very minor thing that fixed itself after a few days (bug in kde on new version released). For like 15 months of use, that's spectacular compared to any other system I've ever used (especially including Debian and of course Windows, obviously).

What exactly is the goal? How do you make "no issues" and "it just works" more stable?

[-] wilmo@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Stable vs Unstable does not mean anything to do with bugginess or prone to breakage.

It literally just means package version changes.

Stable meaning packages update slowly and only minor versions or security.

Unstable means packages update frequently including major versions

Inherently rolling releases are unstable.

My personal experience too is that Arch has been the best distro for lack of bugs and issues on my machines than Fedora or Debian etc.

[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

This is why we should call it "bleeding edge" rather than "unstable" it's a much more accurate name and it exemplifies the advantages (albeit leaving out the (minor) disadvantages)

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[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago

I have no idea what people keep talking about when they say Arch/CachyOS is “unstable”.

a) stable in the sense of not changing, or more specific not changing dramatically the user experience and not breaking compatibility, so you can rely on being the same, and b) stable in the sense of not breaking by bugs and issues. Those are two different topics sharing the same wording of stable/unstable. It's a similar issue of the word "Free", which could mean either Open Source or no cost in money.

Archlinux is unstable, in the sense that it changes frequently, without warning for most of the time, and this can break compatibility or user experience. Compare the other extreme Debian, which is very stable.

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[-] littleomid@feddit.org 18 points 6 days ago

Not personally interested,but a big question with something like this is how much time you have and how do you plan to maintain it in the long term? Don’t want to dissuade you, but I really don’t know if we need yet another distribution based on arch.

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago

Yeah I get you, recently with everyone vibe-coding their stuff, there have been a lot of useless distros, but I really feel like I'm onto something useful. I'm self employed and basically temporarily took on less orders so I can work on this full-time until I get the first version out and actual full on development turns into maintaining and improving. I can definitely manage it and actually look forward to it as it's super fun to me! Also I used today to make some changes as you can read in the comment I just left.

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago

UPDATE

I took your suggestions to heart and updated the website to reflect the changes I implemented today. The big change is that I found a way to keep pacman fully intact and functioning, but make it apply the changes atomically. So now this isn't just limited to Flatpaks, but LITERALLY Arch Linux but made atomic.

The new intro reads:

"Plutonium-239 is Arch Linux, made atomic. It combines the rolling release model of Arch Linux with an atomically updated root filesystem inspired by SteamOS on top of the heavily optimized CachyOS performance kernel. Unlike immutable distributions that lock you out of the native package manager and force you into sandboxes, Pu-239 keeps the core Arch experience intact. You still get the full power of pacman and the official Arch repositories, with the peace of mind of an unbreakable safety net underneath."

For more information, please check out the updated "How it works" section. Thank you all a lot for the feedback!

[-] lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago

Big question: Will it condone LLM generated / "assisted" programming?

[-] excel@lemming.megumin.org 5 points 6 days ago

CachyOS automatically does bootable BTRFS snapshots with every update. I don’t really see any advantage of atomic distros over this.

[-] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

Can't speak much about OP's distro or CachyOS, but I can talk about how Fedora Atomic differs from simply doing btrfs backups before every update.

First, updates are not the only thing that can modify the base system. Installing packages, installing plugins or extensions, manual user modifications, etc, can all end up bricking the system. Fedora Atomic makes the base system immutable so that the only way of making modifications is via rpm-ostree, which ensures that you always have a way to rollback.

Second, one of the issues with traditional update mechanisms is that over time, updates might not do proper clean-up and leave artifacts. This is a harder problem than people realize, because users can have all sorts of permutations of packages and versions installed, and the update mechanism has to account for all of them. Over time, and many updates, a system can accumulate tons of small update errors and finally fall over. I've had this issue myself and heard of this issue from multiple sources. Fedora Atomic solves this by ensuring that every update is like a complete re-install.

Third, since every Fedora Atomic user uses the same base system as their distro maintainers, they can be sure that their base system is well tested. Bugs are more reproducible, and thus can be fixed faster. None of those "works on my system, you're on your own" issues.

Fourth, this one isn't a benefit to the user but the community. Fedora Atomic (and universal blue) distros are easy to fork. This is why there are so many flavors now. Bluefin, Aurora, Bazzite, Secureblue, Wayblue, etc. Instead of one generic distro with a huge community relying on a few maintainers, like Fedora used to have, now you have smaller specialized communities with their own leaders, and users can choose which community they align with more. And you can even switch communities, since rpm-ostree allows you to "rebase" to a different distro (eg Aurora -> Bazzite).

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[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Very simple reason: you won't even notice that something broke since the distro will fall back onto the previous version automatically

[-] porl@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I'd rather know what's going on. Silently working around a problem is how you end up with a system no longer set up the way you think it is.

[-] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

It''s not working around the issue, it's just refusing to update. You shouldn't need to manually rollback a system that doesn't boot. And you shouldn't need to manually troubleshoot or fix it either. Just report the failing update and wait for it to be fixed.

a system no longer set up the way you think it is.

The point of most atomic distros is that it's set up for you. If you want to manually investigate around and work around the issue yourself, then an atomic distro is probably not for you.

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[-] Kory@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Very interesting approach, please keep us posted and best of luck!

Edit: just thought, have you ever heard of RakuOS ? They seem to have similar ideas, about the unlocking while still atomic.

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Check out the comment I just left, I implemented a solution that pacman is now completely usable so it's literally just vanilla Arch but atomic instead of being Flatpak-only!

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[-] aurorachrysalis@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

Is your distro Pu-239 going to be The Bomb?

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago
[-] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

May as well be called TrumpOS, we are so dead

[-] helix@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago
[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Man, good question, I'm still torn about this. Initially I was forced to use GitHub specifically from my university, now it kind of stuck. I haven't pushed much yet anyway so I might even make the switch.

[-] helix@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well, you could use Github's free (as in beer) infrastructure to host artifacts, which means they'll have to pay (as a company) instead of codeberg (as a non-profit). The issues and development can be hosted on codeberg. Kind of like how the Linux Kernel does it, Github only being a mirror, not an endorsement.

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

I took your suggestion to heart and decided to say fuck it and move my whole GitHub over to Codeberg. The non-profit nature, being hosted in Germany where I'm also from and ditching the last Microslop service I have make this something I should have done sooner. The only thing left is the repo for the website itself, I'm gonna set up the actions to automatically sync it with Hetzner tomorrow, I'm done for today!

[-] helix@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

Als Deutscher kannst Du ja auch Mitglied im Codeberg e.V. werden wenn Dir das wichtig ist. Oder, wie gesagt, die Artefakte bei Microsoft hosten, um dem Verein Geld zu sparen. Microslop darf das gerne bezahlen, oder? 😄

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Mal sehen, GitHub war das letzte Big Tech, bzw. USA-basierte was ich genutzt habe und war mir deswegen schon seit langem ein Dorn im Auge, bisher habe ich aber nie die Nerven gehabt zu wechseln. Jetzt war aber der beste Zeitpunkt, da das Hauptrepo noch leer war und ich meine restlichen Projekte aussortiert habe. Die kompilierten Pakete und ISOs kommen eh alle auf meinen Hetzner Webserver, Codeberg hätte quasi "nur" den Source-Code, sollte also verträglich genug sein und GitHub einfach komplett zurückzulassen!

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[-] sunnyjim@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

I'd be interested in this! I moved my handheld to SteamOS from Cachy HE because it felt kind of unstable.

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Nice to hear! It might be the case that you will have to do some tinkering at first, but I would really appreciate any info I can get so I can get this to be stable as fast as possible!

[-] eremophila@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why didn't you call it Starchy?

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[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is very cool! I like the idea of atomic distros although I haven't really gotten into them much, if you keep on working on this project I might join it.

Question: I'm a bit confused about the package management system you talked about. Flatpaks for user level packages? What about the official arch repo and the AUR? I know other atomic distro's don't really work with traditional package managers, what does this mean for Pu-239? If there's no AUR then there is no Arch Linux at least for me.

Also that name could probably do with some work lol. Maybe work on a shorthand way of spelling it and a better way to pronounce it? I'm not sure.

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[-] lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Second and last question: Will it support other init systems other than systemd?

[-] yxc999@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Honestly, I haven't even thought about that yet. I don't see anything speaking against using other init systems at first glance, but that's gonna be very low on my future priorities rn. If I should have some spare time after checking every mayor box then sure, I don't mind systemd but I'm also not a huge fan.

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