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[-] balsoft@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago

I agree with your overall point, still I think there needs to be some context.

Here is the graph for USSR's prison population (I could only find it in russian on yandex, because search engines are so fucked up nowadays):

USSR really did have a relatively high imprisonment rate throughout its existence, and I think its punishment-focused penitentiary system was one of its worst sides. I'm glad that other socialist states are improving theirs, and I hope one day they can reach a point where prisons in their current form would no longer be necessary.

As an aside, I find it really interesting that there was a simultaneous increase in prison population in both USSR and the US in the 80s:

While in the US it was mainly caused by "law and order" politics popularized after the revolutionary movements of the 70s, combined with privatization of prison labor, I couldn't find any well-sourced explanations for why it happened in USSR.

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[-] FatherPeanut@pawb.social 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Storytime! Mostly because holy shit this is weighing on my mind like mad, and I need to vent. Living in USA.

Someone in my life allegedly did something bad last weekend. I found out by getting a phone call from the local jailhouse on their behalf yesterday morning. I'm their contact, found their legal help, and been drug along part of the process. Holy FUCK is it absolutely insane the shit you have to do. The predatory-ass system has you completely fucked if you're poor. A fucking five thousand dollar payment for bail, that they allow only the panicked voice of the detainee to inform you about, so you likely jump right in and take action and pay that bail before the arraignment trial where the prices can be reduced, or he can even be up and set free. Dont have the money? That's okay! You can pay 10% if you put some substantially valued aspect of your life up for collateral. The referenced suggestions? A house and a car. Now if they fuck up before their trial, you lose basically everything. And lord, don't even get me started on the sentence times. Threatening the lad with twenty years for some alleged not-severe crimes, the boy hasn't even lived for that long, so he panics and talks before we can get legal council to him. Anyone with a single look from the outside can tell he's not getting anything near that, but they wave it over his head like it's a looking threat he's gotta serve.

If any of you go through this process, I swear, it becomes apparent as day that this whole thing is built to incentivize you to remain in jail. To stay as cheap prison labor or whatever it may be. This whole process is fucked. I haven't even seen the legal fees yet.

[-] smh@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago

It's all fucked up. My brother ended up on parole and it was designed to keep him from holding down a job. He'd have random drug screenings, which meant that each morning he'd call in to the system to find out if he had a drug screening. If he did, he'd have to drive to the county where he committed the offense and was convicted (2 hours away from his home) to wait a few hours to pee in a cup. Imagine holding down a job and not knowing until day of that you'll need to take off most of the day. And they wouldn't even let him do his drug screenings closer to home--theory was that the county got paid per parolee.

Anyways, my brother is a jerk but the system is needlessly cruel.

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[-] postcapitalism@lemmy.today 23 points 1 month ago

Correct - both are authoritarian regimes

[-] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

Can you name a non-authoritarian government?

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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

Which goes to show that "authoritarian" is just a vague, vibes based signifier with no useful purpose.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

As are all states. The important distinction between them isn't the degree by which authority is used, which is largely decided by the conditions a state is in rather than the form of the state itself, but instead is which class controls the state. The USSR was run by the working classes, the US by capitalists.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Authoritarianism is a meaningless term used by edgy children whose brains haven't fully developed yet. The reality is that all governments rely on coercion to maintain their authority. The state is fundamentally an instrument that’s used by the ruling class to maintain its dominance. The whole notion that political systems can be neatly categorized into authoritarian or democratic binaries is deeply infantile.

Every government derives its authority from its monopoly on legal violence. The ability to enforce laws, suppress dissent, and maintain order is derived from control over police, military, and judicial systems. Whether a government is labelled authoritarian or democratic, the fundamental basis of its power lies here. Therefore, the only meaningful questions to ask are which class interests it represents, and to what extent can it be held accountable to them.

What ultimately matters is which class controls the institutions of state violence. In capitalist democracies, the government represent the interests of the economic elites who fund political campaigns, own media outlets, and control key industries. Western public lacks the mechanisms necessary to hold the government to account, and the ruling class is disconnected from the broader population. That’s precisely what’s driving political discontent all across western sphere today. Meanwhile, in so-called authoritarian regimes, the ruling party serves the working class as seen in countries like China, Cuba, or Vietnam. Hence why there is widespread public trust in these government and they enjoy broad support from the masses.

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