I've been saying DSA is too big tent to work. Unless they were committed to educating all their members, and not just some sub-committees, it was doomed to fail. I hope the group that went to Cuba (minus that neo-lib narc) wind up breaking off or joining a different org. I don't see much point in continuing to try to be included in spaces that hate us, whether that's the DNC or the DSA.
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"Democratic Socialists of America" condemning communism is like a "Healthy Puppy Society" condemning adult dogs. What the fuck is the end goal of your project then?
We need something new
Why not socialism?
Its old.
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Welfare capitalism in practice.
Filthy neolibs. Worthless.
I think this is a really weak-ass an unnecessary rebuttal. Nobody in capitalist power gives a shit about the difference between a communist dictatorship and worker's control of production, they're just scared of labor and want to propagandize against it in any way possible. And DSA members who do want communism at the state level sans dictator and do care about the distinction will just be potentially alienated by this. And nobody who this guys message is trying to reach read Jacobin.
To be clear, the idea of a "communist dictator" is more projection, all socialist states have been collectively run socialist projects. Perpetuating the caricature of socialism that the Red Scare concocted damages left wing momentum.
Is this a No True Scotsman claim?
In what sense? I don't believe the leaders of socialist countries historically fit the understood definition of dictator, as compared to figures like Hitler, Pinochet, and Syngman Rhee. I believe dictators exist, but not in past or present socialist countries.
I'd assume that Stalin had concentrated enough power to himself that the party's support for him came more from fear of reprisal than ideological consent, but I'm definitely not well-read on that part of soviet history.
No true at all. Collectively run socialist projects would never have a figurehead like Xi or Stalin because they wouldn't need one. Ultimately if Xi says there is corruption and needs to do a purge this is his decision and not a collective one.
This is like when a little kid walks up to an adult and says "Nuh uh, mosquitoes are birds"
What do you believe the role of General Secretary of a political party is for? Why do you believe that collectively running something is contradictory to having a General Secretary? Neither Xi nor Stalin have/had such a unilateral power, but because of their consistent leadership skills and sound analysis that led to them being elected to General Secretary, what they say is taken seriously by the party, both at the Central Committee level and beyond.
Both the decisions by Stalin and Xi that the respective communist parties they belong to regarding purges were necessary and correct.
Nice fanfic but that is not remotely grounded in reality. Xi rules with an iron fist. Why did Hu Jintao get escorted out of the congress in 2022? If it was collective then 1) it would have been agreed in public beforehand and 2) he would never have been at the congress in the first place.
Why did Hu Jintao get escorted out of the congress in 2022?
He was very clearly having a mental health episode (most likely mental confusion inline with his age). Escorting someone out of the public eye during such episodes before they humiliate themselves or otherwise end up in distress is common decency. Even anti-China rags like the economist knew the nonsense you are trying to push with this jab was too blatantly nonsense even for them.
He was just sitting there. You guys are hilarious.
Very obviously in a confused state before reaching for others papers before finally being escorted away out of the public eye.
If you want to take a stance that was too ridiculous even for the economist that's your prerogative but to be condescending at the same time simply makes you look silly.
Everything you are saying is entirely compatible with what I said, beyond your assertion that "Xi rules with an iron fist." Again I ask, what do you believe the role of General Secretary of a political party is for? Why do you believe that collectively running something is contradictory to having a General Secretary?
We must have a different understanding of the word you are using. You have something in mind so why don't you tell me?
Which word? General Secretary? General Secretaries are elected positions as leaders of political parties. They retain their posts through popular support, and if this ever changes, they can and will be removed. China is not run from such a top-down manner, policy comes from the bottom-up, works its way through the CPC and the NPC, and then is reinterpreted through Marxism-Leninism and is returned in the form of new policy.
The idea that Xi Jinping "rules with an iron fist" is nonsense. His power comes from democratic means, and the democratic structures in China lead to far more distributed levers of power than in western countries. This is referred to as "Whole-Process People's Democracy."
I'm talking about how it actually manifests itself. We both know that democracy has nothing to do with this. Once a leader get given so much power it corrupts them. It doesn't amtter what system or country they are operating under. It's a well know phenomenon.
We don't both know this, I highly disagree that power is a supernatural force that turns people evil. This is a liberal theory of knowledge, not a Marxist theory. Being well-known does not make it correct.
They should have just replied with "Release the Epstein files"
Since there are as many versions of "real" communism as there are comrades who are socialist/leftists/an-caps/non-liberals, I just say I'm socialist and don't fret on the details. That said I'd never say I'm "anti-communist," since that is cowardly.
Liberals are honest that they pursue electoral politics to improve capitalism. DSA presents the same electoral reformism as socialism. Congressional reactionaries love to smear DSA, knowing its rejoinder will be safely anti-communist. It’s a win-win for capitalist politics.

Condemning socialism while buying equity shares in several private businesses is definitely the hypocrisy you'd expect from the US government
I don't really see how that follows.
Socialists don't take purchases equity shares in private businesses. You're thinking of EuroFascism.
Just because the government owns a business doesn't make it socialism
But it's not socialism when they do it!
Correct.
I hear atheiests do that all the time
Nobody expects it
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