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[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Both US and EU are already busted. See this from the Asia Society Policy Institute (ASPI): https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/aspis-critical-technology-tracker-2025-updates-and-10-new-technologies/

China now leads in 66 of the 74 technologies tracked, with the United States leading in the remaining eight

And you can see in the graph how the share of publications have gone down by like half in the US, EU and UK. While China and other developing nations have continued to invest in their people. Unfortunately our neoliberal leads do not know how to do anything else but privatize so the downward trend will continue.

[-] Malica@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

China is the future of science now

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

i wouldnt put my bet on that, there is still the problem of them innovating and not controlling what research/cooking the books by the ccp. theres a reason why they are fleeing to europe and not china. they are exceling in certain areas. AND YES ccp has thier own problems to deal with, the massive amount of chinese graduates that cant find jobs, are already incensed that the ccp was luring foreigners for research/engineer positions, while ignoring the citizens.

[-] myyass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Like Fallout predicted.

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I almost got hired as a research assistant but the professor I wanted to work for told me he couldn't afford to due to the budget cuts going around, I've also seen scholarship opportunities get cancelled as well

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

thats sad, but im not really surprised it seems like PIs all over the us already are on razor thin budgets to begin with. i think these have become more competitive too, when i was trying to apply to these types of jobs last decade , they wanted people with alot of experience up front that you couldnt get at uni's because those labs are always packed.

one program, CLS9(clinical lab) i was look at got more competitive over the years, as people realized that choosing another grad program wasn't going to amount to better jobs, as CLS was a cheap program with a high income(100k+ starting at least in the west) if you can even get into the program. they have an abridged program for MLT, but that usually doesnt help.

[-] danielfm123@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

University is full of cheap to bribe "experts", real research is not in private sector.

Just tell me what university invented planes or rockets.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

also the dismal job prospects at the lower levels , is discouraging people from going into STEM. not everyone could get into a phd program right after undergrad

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago

The brain drain is going to devastate science in the US for generations. Totally squandered in a matter of a couple years.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

the brain drain has been going on for a long time, trump just accelerated it. the low job market for stem/lab research is pretty bad. "want to start out, no problem, just have your resume with 2-4+years of lab /research experience ready."

[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

What researchers? A lot of them just up and left when Trump started his shit.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

not only that but the poor job prospects besides what trump has done especially at the non-phd level.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

The ones without the resources to just up and leave.

[-] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

only for PHD would be worth it. there seems to be vastly more people at the undergrad/ms that cant find jobs.

[-] Sergio@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

If you’re good at what you do money isn’t an issue.

Hey, what about those of us who are old and mediocre (but capable!) at what we do?!?

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

or those that cant get thier foot in the DOOR, thats the main issue.

[-] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

We get a convoy going.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

And as we all know, all researchers are equally as capable.

[-] squeeb@quokk.au 4 points 3 days ago

As a non-US resident that doesn't much read the news, is there any particular reason for the comparison of 'now' vs '6 months ago'? Has there been a particular change in policy or some other big event in the US that's motivated the sudden change in attitude?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Making such profound changes to how a country functions is like turning a large ship. It can take time.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TRUMP and WH have been attacking defunding science/education grants all over the country. a small percentage of researchers already fled the US, in case violence picks up, and intellectuals are usually the first targets.

this in combination of the ongoing problem with stem, low job prospects.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

US federal budgeting this year have pushed hard to gut science. I've heard talking points regurgitated by college educated folks that businesses will pay for it instead, but when pressed for examples or how it would work they are only able to point to engineering projects, they can't differentiate between basic scientific research producing testable, accurate models and the products and services built using this models.

[-] DrPop@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Businesses will pay for studies that help businesses or had a profit incentive. When you hear the govt spent a large sum of money studying how ocelots react to opium or somelike that, people usually say that's a waste of money, rather than finding out why.

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Businesses will probably also do them inefficiently because they only think about themselves.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Like there was one Republican complaint about studying soybeans. Beans! Useless!

Yeah well guess what one of the biggest crops in the US is. We used to export soy to Asia.

https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/23114-opinion-the-trump-administration-is-wrong-about-the-value-of-crop-research-labs-and-farmers-know-it

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

yeah, Trump.

Not that things weren't kind of shitty before, he just accelerated the problems by defunding science and preventing foreigners from coming here to study, which sadly make up many 1/3 of the students of our PhD programs, especially hard sciences.

higher education in the USA needs systematically reform, but I don't think anything Trump has done has improved anything, just accelerated the issues by turning off the money/labor spigot so many research programs were overly-reliant on.

a lot of this talented foreign labor is now going to study in other countries rather than the USA and that will impact things for decades, reducing USA's lead in many scientific fields.

[-] crpknkr@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

"... money / labor spigot so many research programs were overly-reliant on."

I don't see how research or more generally anything at all could get done without money or labor.

[-] el_twitto@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Trump is obviously a Russian asset. EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE HAS BENEFITTED PUTIN.

[-] ZMoney@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Europe too.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago

I know it’s “science” but there’s too many articles where someone’s run a basic survey on the obvious that gets reported as “obviousness observed”

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