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...if it is a time-bound prohibition, maybe in the order of a few weeks, so society can rethink about their consumption habits.

Indefinite prohibition, of the kind that was amended in the US constitution, denies the human desire to consume alcohol and pretend it can be legislated away. A cursory reading of the Wikipedia article on the capital-P Prohibition showed lasting effects in alcohol consumption (I guess, good in the sense that there's changes in domestic abuse patterns, for example?) and organized crime (bad, with Al Capone and people like him)

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[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 hours ago

It taught us what happens when you try to make it illegal. Afterwards, it was legalised again, but with some government oversight. Seems to have worked out better than to prohibition era.

Strangely, drugs are still illegal though. I expect that having some government oversight with drugs should have a similar effect.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 hours ago

Some people will go through dangerous withdrawals. Having been through that, you're gonna have to propose how we'll care for people who face that before I get onboard. That's way before I complain that I don't want you to take away my alcohol; people die from going cold turkey.

[-] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 57 seconds ago

You'd think the manufacturers of Xanax would absolutely be in favor of a ban for this reason.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

The relationship between alcohol and violent crime is so tight, the police are prevented from keeping statistics on how many violent crimes are committed by drunk people. Thanks to a significant alcohol lobby.

[-] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 48 points 23 hours ago

Prohibition made the problems worse though.

[-] DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 30 points 22 hours ago

Prohibition is one of the single biggest factors in the creation of organized crime at real scale. It took more than the local street gang to pull off everything that needed to be done. The American Mafia as we know it was a direct result of Prohibition.

Alcohol consumption itself didn't change much. Speakeasies and bathtub brewers were open secrets. Cops didn't raid them (much) because where else were they gonna get their 'shine?

In fact, my greats grandparents were bookies and bootleggers. My father told me his grandparents were pulled over with a trunk full of liquor during prohibition. Grandma said she would take care of it. Coo asked to see inside the trunk. Grandma said "Of course," popped it open, pulled out two big bottles of liquor, tucked one under each of the cop's shoulders and asked, "Is there a problem, sir?" He tipped his hat and bid them a safe trip as he climbed back into his car.

Time-based is an interesting proposition, though. As in, for two weeks or what have you, it is simply unavailable. You either have your home stock or you don't. I can see benefits to that.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 21 hours ago

Eh? I don't think it is well taught how bad alcoholism was in the English speaking world at the turn of the century. It was relatively common for men to drink away their wages, leaving their families poor. Alcohol also increased the likelihood of domestic violence, something which was somewhat socially acceptable.

Now, the outright ban obviously had nasty side effects including the creation of organized crime. However, I could see the argument that increased regulation and restriction in availability was justified.

After all, they had to ban buying gin by the pint.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

If you think it isnt still common for people to drink away all of their family's meager wealth I encourage you to find a local AA chapter, call up to ask for permission, then to come and listen in quiet support.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 20 hours ago

I'm not saying it isn't possible today. What I'm saying is that it was far more common back before Prohibition.

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I don't know about time-limited bans, but the way cigarettes have been handled seems to have been pretty effective. Don't ban but instead discourage use in a variety of ways, prohibit advertising, replace with anti-smoking propaganda campaigns, gradually limit permitted public consumption as usage comes down (which it has).

I could see alcohol getting the same sort of treatment in theory, it also has well documented harms to justify doing so. One thing I'd like to see is more social spaces/events for adults that don't implicitly revolve around alcohol consumption. You can't really prevent people who want to drink from doing it, but you could make it less convenient and more convenient for people who don't drink. For instance maybe establishments that serve alcohol shouldn't be allowed to have dedicated parking, since the expectation that someone is going to drive somewhere, drink little enough that they're still entirely good to drive, and then have to either drive back home or face a huge hassle, sets people up for bad decisions.

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 6 hours ago

Except smoking usage has increased in recent years.

Bans don't stop people.

Look at what happened during prohibition.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 minutes ago

Where are you getting that from? All the sources I'm seeing show dramatic long term decline, at least in the US, where the policies I'm talking about are in effect https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends

I agree that prohibition was a bad idea, and any measures that go far enough to create a black market for alcohol should be avoided, but there are other things that could be tried.

[-] sunnie@slrpnk.net 23 points 23 hours ago

Imagine a world without authoritarian busybodies bent on inflicting their bizarre rules on everyone else.

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

You are correct, there are lasting effects in alcohol consumption.

Unfortunately, there are also lasting effects in alcohol prohibition. The costs of prohibition far outweigh the costs of consumption.

Humans have consumed alcohol for thousands of years, in many cultures, daily or near daily. It's been banned a few times, and the costs are great. We know what they are.

  1. When you ban any very popular thing, you create a black market for that thing. In the case of a alcohol prohibition, a fantastically large and well-funded black market. This black market will murder many people to continue to make outrageous amounts of money (much more than anyone makes when it is legal).
  2. Home-made alcohol will be sold by that black market. Just like drugs, people will cut that alcohol to make larger profits. A lot of people will get sick and/or die from the various problems that arise with that. Much more than alcohol alone.
  3. Alcohol is a part of nature, you can't get rid of it. It's a byproduct of food. Food can also cause lasting effects from consumption. Very costly effects; obesity, addiction, heart disease, and so on are all often byproducts of food. Yeah, there are lasting effects from consumption. You don't need alcohol to live, you don't need Twinkies to live, and so on. Just... let it go. It's a never ending quest for control that leads straight to hell.
  4. So not only do you have larger black markets with more money, and not only do you have increased workload for medical facilities everywhere, you also have to have a police force to suppress all of this now illegal drinking. You can pretend that these are robots that won't abuse power, but they aren't, and they will abuse power, and people will die. (and a lot of cops drink).
  5. This doesn't even scratch the costs of prohibition. I could write a book. Instead, other authors have written about it, and they are much smarter than me. See Peter McWilliams, "Ain't Nobody's Business if you Do". His death was tragically connected to prohibition, but I'd have to write another book.
[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 15 hours ago

People talk like alcohol is this untouchable pillar of society but, like, there's one big prohibition success story being ignored here. The core problem with the original Prohibition is that it didn't build up public legitimacy for such a move before doing it.

[-] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Very good success story when "proper punishment is flogging, though legal scholars disagree over whether the number of lashes should be 40 or 80".

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 13 hours ago

I mean, it worked, hence success story. Besides, there's no nice way to enforce something via state violence, and Muslim flogging (as opposed to the stuff, say, Singapore is famous for) isn't any more brutal than the crippling fines or imprisonment doled out by modern states.

[-] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

Hate to spoil things but I know lot of Muslims that regulary consume alcohol. Also alcoholis not banned in modern muslim countries like Turkey, Azerbaijan, Albania. It's ban in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, ... all democratic countries.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Oh yeah, worked great the first time. Telling people they can't do something isn't going to stop them from doing it.

[-] kibblebits@quokk.au 9 points 23 hours ago

Banning Jesus would save more lives.

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Oh you poor fool. You think these monsters give a crap about Jesus lol. They’d just pick a new Jesus and continue doing this shit.

[-] kibblebits@quokk.au 6 points 22 hours ago
[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

I’m not a “the world is ending” type of guy but trump lines up more with the Antichrist than Jesus.

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[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

My general view of things is that people can't be trusted not to consume to excess but solving it by prohibition, even half measures like weekly limits or losing the right to drink, requires draconian laws and fuels organised crime.

Tobaccos a good ban candidate but I don't see alcohol being a good idea, even more so because of how ingrained it is in normal life and events.

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

At the very least we should stop advertising it everywhere.

[-] noodles@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago

And how easy it is to make at home

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Save this one. You'll look back on it in ten years and laugh.

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

It’s like saying eugenics isn’t inherently bad.

Maybe not but it always leads immediately to bad things.

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