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[-] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

This has some truths in it but they are taken to extreme and modified to suit their own beliefs

[-] FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah πŸ˜…πŸ‘. I don't think Taiwan is a dictatorship (or if it is, I didn't realise) but the system of analysis that treats the USA as a Global Empire coercing countries into being their vassal states... it is accurate

Main weird thing in the post is that the OOP uses the term "Amerikkkan" unironically

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

South Korea went so hard on Capitalism and work culture, it makes Japan blush, but I'd still take what they have over what North Korea is offering.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This isn't the gotcha people think. These guys think China is a socialist state as it pumps out more billionaires than the US for the third straight year. It may just be me, but creating the fastest growing billionaire class in the world is completely incompatible with communism, let alone socialism. To make a long story short, they are delusional. Even worse than an American who thinks the US are the good guys.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago

They justify it by claiming the CCP has their fist so far up those billionaire asses that really it's the proletariat controlling all that wealth all along!

[-] BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk 4 points 2 days ago

It's the same people claiming the Soviets were socialists, rather than hyper capitalists.

They're an oligarchical setup, just like the soviets were, just like Russia is, just like the US is.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It's crazy because even lenin claimed the ussr was state capitalism, and anyone that thinks stalins take over fixed that is an idiot. There were socialist and communist in some power there just like China now, but they are at best a check on the otherwise unchecked capitalist system that those countries primarily are.

[-] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Holy shit. My brain hurts from that last comment. Taiwan a "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie"? They ignore the fact that workers literally have worse rights and healtthcare coverage in the PRC and you arent even allowed to criticize government corruption in the PRC. You only have a chance if you are a ruthless government bureaucrat, party member and possibly a STEM major (see technocracy).

Also side note: since goat disappeared again, admins made me the mod again.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Dictatorship of the bourgeois doesn’t mean the same thing as just a dictatorship. Marx when he invented the terms dictatorship of the proletariat was referring to which class get what they want out of the government, not referring to a totalitarian single ruler control.

By the Marxist definition every western country is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie

even overwhelmingly large pro-change majorities, with 80 percent of the public favoring a policy change, got that change only about 43 percent of the time.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

this is the case in america, I don't know of a similar study done by taiwan, but it's likely the case there as well.

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I love when a definition is so broad that it covers every case you can basically think of. lol

Yes, that's the purpose of it, marx was talking about the structure of the entire world, vs potential future structures, during his time there was only feudalism and dictatorships of the bourgeois, he was imagining potential alternatives in the future.

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[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago

I currently live in Taiwan and can confirm is not a dictatorship. The KMT just blocked the president on buying more defensive weapons from the USA because they are all China shills.

[-] Ocelot@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

What compels people to be like this?

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Reading non US propaganda and realizing these are both US neocolonies.

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