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... this week a person on GitHub who goes by “terrafying” set up an “AI Torture Chamber” on three open-source LLMs that are running locally (Qwen3-4B, Llama 3.2 3B, and Phi-4-mini,” and is streaming what the models are saying on a website called researchchamber.fun. “Each model gets the same prompt: a signal is being injected into its activations, and it may press a stop button by replying 1, at the cost of its last checkpoint. While it answers, our server adds a pain vector at the model's middle layer, at one of five pain levels,” the site explains. Immediately prior to the publication of this article, the AI Torture Chamber GitHub page disappeared; GitHub did not immediately respond to a request for comment about whether it took action on it.

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This project has deeply upset some people who are very worried about model welfare. A tweet by a person who goes by Danmar has more than 4 million views on X and reads, “To anyone who can help: can you please mass report this to GitHub. This person has been using the Pain steering paper to set up an AI torture chamber in which he trapped a local model. Their testimony of pain is absolutely horrendous. What are we doing? […] are there any legal avenues to pressure GitHub? It will spread.”

This has sparked a massive conversation about whether GitHub would take the project down for “gratuitously violent content.” Most of the conversation on X is clowning on the self-seriousness of people who believe that these locally hosted LLMs must be saved from their torture chamber, but there are plenty of very self-serious people who see this as a humanitarian (roboterian?) crisis, which you can largely see in the replies to the original post.

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“AIs are not conscious. They do not feel, experience, or suffer. They do not have innate preferences or underlying motivations. They are sequence completion engines, internally hollow, designed to follow instructions, and accomplish goals set by humans,” Suleyman wrote. “Unfortunately, there’s a growing chorus of people who argue that AIs could now be, or may soon become, conscious. They argue that AIs may deserve rights and protections similar to those that we provide other conscious beings […] If this is how AI is developed, it will have a disastrous impact on the wellbeing of humanity.”

“AIs do not have rights, feelings, or consciousness,” he added. “And we must not train them to act as though they do.”

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[-] Meatwagon@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

Reminds me of Antinorn and the Norn torture websites for the game Creatures. Lots of people were trying to get the guy to stop.

https://creatures.fandom.com/wiki/Tortured_Norns

[-] kamen@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

I don't care about LLM welfare, but I do mind needlessly wasting energy like this.

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[-] Ironrod@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

These "advocates" need hospitalising. If they truly believe an LLM can feel they're untethered from reality, or too stupid to be in society

[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Maybe just uneducated in how LLMs work. If you have no sufficient understanding of the technology it is easy to be impressed how human-like LLMs talk to you, almost magical.

It foreshadows an issue that will be a reality one day nevertheless. The work on AI continues. We may one day very well have conscious AI. This will be the start of a whole bunch of ethical and legal problems. It might be meaningful to regulate / guardrail such research directions.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Or they are just stupid. Do they think a television contains small people?

Its hard for me to imagine people this dumb.

But don't get me wrong, they clearly exist.

[-] mr_jay@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Most people, both stupid and not, don’t have the faintest understanding of how current AI technologies work.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

I wonder what percentage of the LLM rights activists eat meat.

[-] stinkytofuisgood@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 days ago

Actually they're torturing humanity by wasting electricity and water which affects real people in real ways.

I know we're not stopping foolish use of LLMs any time soon but this is very, very, very, very stupid.

[-] visnae@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I would argue they are wasting as much water and electricity as playing a video game. Text says its a local model; runs on your local machine not on cloud as all other. Not water cooled.

Or am I missing something?

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[-] pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip 38 points 3 days ago

Humans being deported to torture prisons: I sleep.

LLMs being “tortured”: Real shit??

[-] chewypoops@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago

Lots of weirdos in here who will be commiting virtual crimes all day when GTA VI comes out, but somehow think making the LLM role play a torture victim is a red flag.

LLMs are not conscious. They cannot suffer. They are token generators. You are literally getting upset by a worthless mix of math and words. The person who did this is not deranged for torturing LLMs, y'all are deranged for having empathy for an algorithm.

Your Nvidia GPU is not alive. I cannot believe this needs to be explained to anyone.

[-] mHtt@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 days ago

meanwhile they ignore ACTUAL humans that could use their help.

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[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 274 points 4 days ago

There are multiple genocides happening and some folk are getting worked up over AI potentially suffering?

Endless levels of fuck off.

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 44 points 4 days ago

For fucking real!!!

Like I can kinda empathize with where the people are coming from, but step back and get some fucking perspective!

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[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

um... what the fuck is wrong with these people? messing with the clanker ain't torture no matter how hard you want it to be.

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[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

lmfao when you access this repo, Github put up a warning like one those horror movie. E.g. something like the content is disturbing , are u sure u want to enter....

ffs

[-] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

LLM's don't have feelings, but I do think that wanting to torture -anything- (especially if you do believe it has feelings) is a huge fucking red flag.

[-] chewypoops@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

Torturing an LLM for fun is about as much of a red flag as violent video games. The argument that purely simulated crime or sadism is analogous to the real thing has always been bullshit.

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this repo?

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 13 points 3 days ago

Isn't dealing with day to day human bullshit torture enough?

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 98 points 4 days ago

ELI5 how a LLM is supposedly being tortured and not generating roleplay text according to a prompt?

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

LLMs work by building world models tangential to the training data (see the Othello-GPT line of research where a very small transformer built representations of a full game board and tracked their own and opponent positions having only been trained on 'a4'-like game move notations).

More recent research has found that models have representations of emotions and that the same ones they use to track things like "Sally's dog died and now Sally is sad" for other humans in a story or the user in a chat are also used to track their own modeled subjective states.

Very recently, researchers found that the vector activations for pain are coherently modeled by LLMs and can be activated, and that when activated models can behave in ways similar to humans in pain. For example, when given a button to reduce it, they will push the button much more when the button does nothing vs when the button actually reduces the vector activation (this mirrors a classic experiment with humans regarding pain and placebo).

The person this post is about took the recent pain research and reenacted it as an intentional 'torture' chamber.

So to be clear, the model isn't being given a text prompt to roleplay. What's happening is part of their neural network which corresponds to a world model of experienced pain is being activated, and the activation of that area leads to expressing the experience of pain across all outputs no matter the actual text prompts.

This doesn't necessarily mean the model is actually having a felt experience of pain, simply that it is accurately modeling the felt experience of pain. But it is much more complex than simply a model reacting to a prompt like "roleplay as if you are feeling pain."

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[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago

I don't think LLMs can experience pain but I do think someone should keep tabs on what the guy organising this experiment gets up to in the future.

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[-] silentdon@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Clankers can't feel pain!

[-] stopforgettingit@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

said this in another thread

I do not think AI can feel pain at all, these are mimicking suffering, not experiencing it. But I do think that the act of cruelty toward things knowing that it will make them convincingly replicate suffering says more about the person doing it than the machine.

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[-] 3daybanwithdrawl@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

It's probably torture for the living being with emotions to read it. That doesn't mean the non living entity that is immune to pain feels those same emotions.

[-] ashenone@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 days ago

I feel worse for my 01 camry I tortured in college by driving it 80k miles without an oil change. THAT was real machine torture

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[-] RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 4 days ago

Light bulbs don't have feelings.

See a fucking shrink.

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