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“Just as Germans who backed Hitler and the Nazi Party after 1933 were fully aware of what they were joining, so Christians who have backed Trump and the MAGA movement a second time know and bear responsibility for what they are now endorsing…

“This dehumanising language, talking about immigrants as vermin, and this racial purity language, like they’re ‘poisoning the blood of our country’. What does that mean? If they’re poisoning the blood, what’s the pure blood? We know where that story goes,” he said.

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[-] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 11 points 19 hours ago

About ten years ago if you were educated and attentive.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Since 1776 if you werent a white straight Anglo-Saxon Protestant

[-] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 3 points 16 hours ago

That was just fashionably racist. Most of the pillars of Ur-fascism weren’t in the political culture back then and some of them didn’t even exist. Personally, Napoleons France is probably the oldest proto-fascist entity.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 19 hours ago

I would have said earlier, when elon musk threw his heart out to the crowd.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

1933

That was the right time to start and we should never ever stop

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 9 points 23 hours ago
[-] GreenBean@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago
[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 19 hours ago

They've been steadily taking the steps since Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, and Rush Limbaugh's smooth Republican recruitment and indoctrination in 1994. I doubt they thought it would be accompanied by such mind-boggling corruption, but ALL of Trump's policies are a 90s Republican's wildest fantasy.

[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 117 points 1 day ago

Rehashing Nazi propaganda phrases and literally sieg heiling during the innaguration wasn't enough?

[-] YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 37 points 1 day ago
[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

That second one is wrong, the only ones dumber than his supporters are the people advocating staying home or voting 3rd party to SeNd A mEsSaGe.

I swear, the turkeys are voting for Thanksgiving dinner.....

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I wasn't exactly waiting for permission.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago

3 - 10 years ago

[-] Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social 40 points 1 day ago

US politics inspired the Nazi era... so a long time

[-] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I'm not surprised our world history classes in the states glazes over the part where Nazi inspiration came from the worst of the worst in our country alone.

[-] frisbird@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Worst of the worst? Thomas Jefferson, worshipped daily on our money, was literally worse than Trump is. FDR, largely considered one of the best by liberals, literally created red lining and put Japanese-looking people into concentration camps and stole their property. You're fooling yourself if you think it was just the worst of the worst.

[-] AviAdi@suppo.fi 12 points 1 day ago

See this is your problem. You're blaming one person, Jefferson, Trump, FDR... The problem is the American people. They are what creates these people and then execute their vision. The American people are as guilty as these individuals!

[-] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Exactly, and the type of inspiration the Nazis drew was from the American people directly, not any specific leaders; and objectively speaking we the people were at our very worst morally by refusing to give people rights and our democracy failed to resolve it peacefully. And this other guy will probably just rant about Lincoln killing natives without acknowledging the wider lens on the time. Let's not have a repeated lesson in history, even though we didn't learn it the first time apparently.

[-] chahn.chris@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago

I’ve been calling the current government the Nazi regime and the people that still support it Nazis for about a year and a half now.

This includes family members sadly, I just call them nazis. They don’t like it but I don’t back down because I’m not wrong.

[-] spacegoat@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

They’re also so fucking stupid or dishonest that their only conception of a Nazi is a German combatant or politician during the 1930s and 1940s.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 18 hours ago

You're not alone.

You have to draw a line somewhere, and if that line wasn't passed at some point since January 2025, then you might actually be a piece of shit.

I don't abide Nazis, no matter who they are.

[-] aizakku@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

If there are 9 people sitting at a table, and one Nazi sits down. If no one gets up from the table there are now 10 Nazi's sitting at that table.

[-] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 37 points 1 day ago
[-] QueenHawlSera@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

Christianity should be considered a form of mental illness

[-] YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago

For thousands of years, humanity has asked the same question: Why are we here? Religion answered early, confidently, and critically without evidence. That confidence became its greatest strength. When answers arrive before questions are fully formed, they harden into tradition, authority, and eventually taboo. From an atheist perspective, religion is not mysterious; it is familiar. It follows well-documented psychological, sociological, and evolutionary patterns. Gods look like people. Moral codes mirror ancient survival needs. Sacred texts reflect the scientific ignorance of their era. This is not an insult it is an observation. If religions were divine revelations, why do they look exactly like human inventions? Religions make the most extreme claims imaginable: An invisible, omniscient being created the universe. This being intervenes in daily life. It listens to prayers. It cares deeply about sexual behaviour and dietary rules. It rewards belief and punishes doubt. Yet not even one of these claims has been independently verified. Contrast this with science. Science makes modest claims, backed by evidence, revised when wrong. Religion does the opposite: maximal claims, minimal evidence, zero revision. Why is belief without evidence praised in religion but rejected everywhere else? Would you board a plane built on faith? Accept a diagnosis based on prayer? Trust a bridge designed by revelation. If faith is a virtue, why is it never used outside religion? Prayer is often defended as personal, harmless, and comforting. But when evaluated, prayer performs no better than chance. Large-scale studies, including the STEP Project found no measurable benefit of intercessory prayer and in some cases, those who knew they were being prayed for had worse outcomes, due to anxiety or pressure If prayer worked: Hospitals would replace ICUs with chapels. Insurance companies would track prayer frequency. Casinos would ban worshippers. Instead, prayer functions psychologically: it creates the feeling of control in an indifferent universe. Comforting? Yes. True? No. Religions claim ownership of morality, yet moral behaviour predates organized religion by tens of thousands of years. Empathy, cooperation, and fairness are evolutionary traits observed in social animals, primates, elephants, dolphins. Sacred texts routinely endorse slavery, genocide, misogyny, child marriage, collective punishment. Believers now reject these practices not because of scripture but despite it. If morality comes from God, why has moral progress required ignoring holy texts? Gods evolve because humans do. Early gods-controlled weather and fertility because humans could not. As science advanced, gods retreated. Lightning → electricity. Disease → germs Earth’s creation → cosmology. This pattern is called the God of the Gaps. Every gap filled by evidence is a god quietly evicted. Why do gods always explain what humans do not yet understand and never what they do? The defining feature of religion is not belief in gods; it is belief protected from questioning. Doubt is framed as sin. Scepticism as arrogance. Evidence as temptation. Any idea that cannot be questioned is not sacred it is fragile. Why would a true god fear honest inquiry? Atheism: Not a Belief, a Conclusion Atheism is not the claim “there is no god.” It is the conclusion that no god has met its burden of proof. This is the same standard used everywhere else in life. The universe does not owe us meaning. Reality does not bend to comfort. Truth does not care what we wish were true. And yet, despite no divine supervision, humans create meaning, ethics, art, love, and progress. If life has value only because a god grants it, what does that say about human worth? If your religion were false, how would you know? Why does faith require belief before evidence? Why do all religions resemble the cultures that invented them? If a god exists, why is it indistinguishable from a natural universe? Is truth defined by comfort or by reality? Religion was humanity’s first attempt to understand the universe. It was a starting point, not a destination. Clinging to ancient explanations in an age of evidence is not humility, it is fear of uncertainty. Atheism does not offer eternal rewards or cosmic surveillance. It offers something more demanding: responsibility. No gods watching. No divine safety net. Just humans accountable to each other. And that is why the idea is so threatening.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Minimum five years ago

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

It was many months ago. If he just said now, he's been living under a rock.

[-] Pratai@piefed.ca 15 points 1 day ago

When? About nine years ago.

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[-] cattywampas@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

We need to stop comparing US politics to Nazis. It's much more accurate and more helpful to compare it to our own Jim Crow past.

[-] StabbingSky@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago

Considering Hitler is a personal hero of Trump, we need to keep comparing it.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago

And America's Jim Crow past explicitly inspired Hitler, so it's really one incestuous cycle of fascism.

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[-] cattywampas@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Considering the Nazis got a lot of inspiration from American segregation I stand by what I said.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

The south should have been fully crushed and fully given to slaves. We should have never tolerated the intolerant and allowed the sociopaths to continue running things.

That’s really probably the problem with the world. Aparently something like 1-4% of humans are sociopaths. And the US has around 3%, but since the US allows businesses to grow and own so much, and control politicians, and since CEOs are like 30% sociopaths, they get an outsized say in our lives and politics.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

¿Por qué no los dos?

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And yet so many in vulnerable populations are advocating for paths of actions that will entrench the Nat-Cs in power...

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago
[-] YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The USA is tottering on the edge of dictatorship. We are no longer Democrats or Republicans. We are either patriots fighting the regime or we are complicit in its tyranny. There is no middle ground. Soon, I fear, the regime will openly defy the supreme court. Americans must be mobilized into such a huge wave of anger and disgust that members of the House are compelled to impeach Trump (for the third time) and enough senators are moved to finally convict him. Then this shameful chapter of American history will end.

[-] bunnybunny@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Well put, I don’t see a lot of signs of people ‘fighting’ the regime. I hope this November will bring some needed change but I’m afraid they will cheat the midterms in a such a gross manner it will be devastating

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

We need to stop with the nazi comparison.

We live in different time. This fascist, racist, misogynist oligarchy called the USA is not nazi Germany, it's something much more dangerous that is a threat to the very survival of the specie.

[-] Infinite@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

A lot of the people that still need to figure out what's going on don't have enough nuance in their worldview. Much of the approach is trying to activate "Nazis = bad" training from their ~~indoctrination~~ childhood.

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Both we’ve been doing it since the first time this fucker somehow got elected

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