What does no AI mean? I'm asking for reference. AI is everywhere and I feel like it's a full time job trying to avoid this garbage.
Are these folks avoiding the use of AI powered "agentic" coding tools like Codex or Claude Code?
Are they avoiding the use of chat based LLMs like ChatGPT or Claude. Do local models count?
Are they avoiding the Google assistant where Google puts AI output at the top of the page as a façade of an answer?
AI is GenAI, LLM, so to answer your questions, projects are avoiding all three. People are switching away from Google, not using AI chats, not using LMMs, etc, they are avoiding local models, etc. Some people are even turning off spell correction, etc. It's quite extensive.
I love seeing these updates.
There's a project I intend to release to the world some day in the not too distant future, and I very much intend for it to be included in this list. Along with the strongest anti-AI statement I can possibly reasonably have.
The issue is AI users will ignore those warnings or licenses and index your code anyway
i noticed you have tuta listed; fyi, see here for a recent commit in one of their repos which says it is "co-authored by claude". (tuta is shitty and shouldn't be advertised for various other reasons also...)
Hi Arthur, after review of Tuta, they were found to still be using AI despite having a No-AI policy. Additionally, in github discussions, they plainly stated they still use AI. Therefore Tuta has thus been removed from noailist.org - Thanks for bringing this into view.
Why is Tuta shitty?
I switched from Proton a year ago or so because the CEO is a Trumper. But I haven't seen anything bad about Tuta, so I am curious if I need to switch again.
I dunno if it qualifies as shitty, but I've always been annoyed that they are in no way interoperable with email and calendar standards.
Kind of I guess? i don't use these features.
Oh, also, they don't really implement e2e email encryption, which is kinda ironic. Your emails are stored encrypted, and e2e encrypted when sent to other tuta users, but to everyone else, the only way to send an e2e encrypted message is a normal email with a password protected link.
Tuta argues that their system is more secure/private, since pgp doesn't encrypt metadata. I'd argue that not supporting pgp means you aren't serious about encryption. It might be in theory less private, but it's the one encryption standard people actually use for email, and not supporting it excludes their user from sending e2e encrypted mail in a sensible way, and from receiving it at all, unless all their contacts also use tuta. Which might be the point.
What would you recommend then?
I have my own domain, so I need a provider that can have custom domains.
I'm with Proton for my private addresses right now, but while they do allow for pgp, they're guilty of many of the same practices as tuta is, and I might go elsewhere when my contract is up. The reason I'm still there is that they do implement pgp, so I haven't had strong enough incentive to switch.
I have good experiences with Mailbox.org. I heard good things about Posteo, runbox, and start mail, but haven't tried either of them personally.
Why is Tuta shitty?
here and here are two of my past comments about them with more links, but, tldr:
Thanks for the thorough answer.
Well, guess I need to find a new provider.
for tAInted projects and their alternatives: https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware/
Another one to look through, the more the merrier
yay glad my addition is welcome ^^
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.