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[-] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago

Walmart is technically competent, but more pragmatic than adventurous. In the past, it has often favored proven systems that deliver reliable returns over expensive, leading-edge alternatives. That has been a smart business strategy for them for the most part, even if they are sometimes late to the party when it comes to innovation.

Amazon has made robotics a core part of its fulfillment model. Ocado designed its grocery fulfillment operation around automation from the outset. This meant major investment in infrastructure, software, and process redesign.

Walmart has invested heavily in robotics, too, but its approach has been more incremental and constrained by the need to modernize an enormous existing network. A bolt-on, if you will.

So I suspect Walmart's problems are partly about its approach and baggage, not the state of robotics. They'll figure it out eventually.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

"We'll pay billions in trying to automate things to avoid paying a few million for human employees."

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Anyone who has tried to automate anything beyond the most basic step quickly finds out how difficult it is to truly do it with all of the boundary conditions, bad inputs, breaking conditions, etc.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago

unskilled warehouse workers.

It's ironic to call them unskilled in an article describing how their skills are beyond billion-dollar robots.

[-] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago

Unskilled, but none of the managers I had (not WM, mid size mail order company) could keep up. All of them had broken racking, run the forks through walls, and/or torn dock doors off. They were slow, and would put bad pallets in the racks.

So the company liked doing cutting edge corporate stuff and reading books about various CEOs. One time they had us take skill surveys (thinly veiled IQ tests) to optimize new hires. The first batch was based off the high performance people and all quit after two weeks because they were smart enough to know bullshit. The second group was based off the long timers and also didn’t last because they were dumb as rocks. After that they went back to shotgunning everyone at it and seeing what sticks. Open interviews, always posted.

[-] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

"Unskilled" meaning you can teach someone to do the job reasonably well off the street in a few hours. Unfortunately robots are not humans and thus need to be meticulously designed while a guy just needs a decent paycheck and benefits.

[-] Brimstone@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Unskilled means can get someone to do it for minimum wage 🫢

It doesn't mean it's only worth minimum wage to the company.

[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is no such thing as unskilled labor. All labor requires myriad skills. At best, some jobs are easier than others, for some people.

All references to "skilled" labor are somber reminders of centuries worth of capitalist propaganda implemented solely to underpay workers.

The length of training required for a job is irrelevant. Some jobs may require years of training for a repeatable mechanical task, like watchmaking. Others may let the worker pop off on day one with virtually no guardrails or training, like landscaping. Both (all) jobs are difficult, and both (all) workers deserve respect.

Do not call work skilled or unskilled, because it is not true, and such labels accomplish nothing other than forwarding bourgeoise interests.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

100% agree. I work in the nuclear sector and jobs can literally be walk around and make sure nothing is on fire but its considered "skilled labor."

[-] shiroininja@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

As a forklift monkey: I hate my job and feel that humans weren’t meant for this monotonous kind of work. Like boomers who screwed in one nut on an assembly line who made enough to provide a family of 4, I’d blow my brains out before I’d do that. So fuck these jobs.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the problem isn't automation, it's billionaires pocketing all of the proceeds.

[-] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I work in this field and can speak to these systems.

These systems tend to perform quite well as their primary selling point is not necessarily cost reduction, flat, but rather increased revenue through higher and more reliable throughput. The trade off is that these systems are quite complex and normally require a great deal of coordination between the customer who may or may not operate the product and the OEM that builds and maintains it.

In my experience the biggest challenge is defining those responsibilities such that throughput is maintained. These systems are like high performance sports cars, they work well if taken care of and operated skillfully but can degrade faster as a result of lack of experience. Some of our customers permit us (the OEM) to operate and maintain to a greater extent then others. Given we have a greater deal of experience with the tool those customers tend to have measurably better performance.

To give an idea of why this particular industry has a harder time building the talent pool I'm referring to consider the domains that need to be covered.

Electromechanical systems, mobile robots, multi-robot systems, PLC programming, DCS, SCADA, multi-axis robots, VFDs, electrical power systems, relational databases, non-relational databases, message brokers, caching systems, distributed systems, Linux and Windows system administration, networking, industrial networking protocols (it's different), software development, Kubernetes. This is the skill set of one technical professional in this space.

I commonly deal with issues that cover several of those areas simultaneously. E.g. robot communications are slowing down due to full message broker queue which is determined to be caused by a faulty motor causing slippage which leads to a large number of messaged being generated that fill the queue and cause other bots to begin making pathing errors due to communication timeouts.

[-] kayohtie@pawb.social 24 points 1 day ago

While I know you wanna stand up for your employer: don't.

Quite literally for your job safety you should delete this post unless you're literally PR and speaking in a way your employer would be fine with.

Most corporate training modules involve clear information you should never post like this because you'll almost certainly get fired.

If you want to share things, post it more as "I work for a company that makes robots like this. The problem with our biggest warehouse clients is X, where our smaller ones is Y, so that's probably the case here too." Never directly show your employer like this.

[-] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Probably right lol, edited to remove identifying information.

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[-] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

So. The usual "Management trying to save a insignificant amount by making a stupid decision on a system they don't understand for a job they don't know"...

[-] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Ummm, no?

The system is way more expensive than the workers were. By like, orders of magnitude. They buy it because you can basically 10x a warehouses throughput using it.

Don't get me wrong, after accounting for increased throughput and the gains by automation you end up with a bigger margin than by having a swarm of workers in a dusty warehouse but it necessitates hiring a ton of technical professionals that you generally have to pay more. Additionally this whole space is really hard for AI to touch because it's very cross domain and real time. For reference. My role is considered "entry level" and I get 6 figures.

All that being said this isn't so much managers being idiots (though there's plenty of that) so much as "our core competencies built from the ways we did warehouses before do not translate to how we do them now and friction is being generated as a result of that transition."

There are technical issues with the system. It's largely built to integrate with legacy industrial tech which ties it into the windows space, this has led to a lot of decisions about tooling that degrades performance and leads to memory leaks.

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Robots are more expensive and are less capable than people? What a surprise! Not. I saw that coming years ago... 🙄

[-] Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

Especially at Walmart when loading a truck means throwing the shit inside and as fast as possible. Used to unload Walmart trucks. Wish had pics (this was wat before smartphones) You open back doors and the boxes would just spill out. There was always breakage. But Walmart didn't care. It fuck up way Walmart does business and they are shady as fuck. But allows them to not care about the products. But yeah robots are slow and no way can work at the speeds required at a Walmart distribution facility.

[-] duckshuffgoose@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

There's lot of types of warehouse automation outside of a robot skating on the ground picking up pallets or cases or anything. As in, there are certainly automation systems that work alongside people or other different bots that absolutely thrash the throughput of a typical warehouse operation

Walmart merely made a number of very stupid decisions when entering the automation game, but to them its drops in a bucket. They'll just move on to the next one

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[-] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Remember when the disclaimer "please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery" was practically ubiquitous on mail order packages? It's almost like that was a SANE way to run a logistics network!

[-] suitmangray@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

We don't send pieces of paper back and forth with days long transit time to complete an order anymore.

[-] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Worked at a place that got obsessed with same or next day shipping. It was clearly killing employee morale and we weren’t selling anything that people needed that quickly. Make a special premium instant ship or something for the people having an emergency but not for everyone. The killer for me was that they were at times doing mandatory overtime during the week and then sending you home early on your required weekend shift so you could have the suck of getting your evenings and schedules killed but without the extra pay.

[-] myyass@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

This is kind of what happened to me recently. Ironically I was fixing espresso machines. Between people expecting ~~next day~~ day of shipping to me being pushed to fix things faster and faster. I gave up and said fuck it. I probably did $50-70K in lost sales by not fixing the machines there and just quitting.

[-] eicker@lemmy.world 146 points 1 day ago

Walmart spent billions replacing warehouse workers with robots, only to discover the robots can’t lift dog food and the engineers cost more than the workers did. Apparently the automation revolution has reached its greatest technical challenge yet: doing the job it was supposed to automate. Somewhere, a PowerPoint deck is quietly being deleted.

[-] ToaLanjiao@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago

The system designers get tripped up by the strangest things. I once worked in a factory that uses copper bars of varying lengths, and the designer didn't expect the bars to 'sag' when picked up flatwise from the middle. So I can imagine picking up a bag of dog food would do that.

I mean anyone who's ever done anything with a long piece of lumber or piping or anything could predict that.

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[-] fonix232@fedia.io 35 points 1 day ago

You can bet your tushy that whichever middle-manager came up with the idea of spending all that money to reduce reliance on human workers, has already picked up a hefty bonus, used a golden parachute, and is now scamming their way through another giant corporate to repeat the same shit with a different idiotic idea.

[-] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Middle manager? I'm betting this idea comes straight from the top.

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[-] suitmangray@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Link to the original article. Oh wait it's WSJ slop.

[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

So much of automation is trying to put robots in places humans were ment to be instead of designing processes that are for robots not people.

It's no wonder to me there is often issues

[-] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

What's interesting is that this specific company isn't doing that.

They don't build robots to move around a human warehouse, they build a giant warehouse (sort of) designed for their robots.

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